In the comic the lil furball told Gambit that the shard was the same as the whole of the M'kraan crystal..
tell me what is the difference between the physical manifestation of the multiverse in the form of the M'kraan crystal and the infinity book?
what makes one better over the other.
while u are at it tell me what is the difference between the Soul Gems and the infinity book since within them is another Universe and manifestation of their respective universal aspects and held by individual ppl.
The gems contain power. Power is weightless. That's why an average human can lift them. The infinite book contains an infinite amount of pages. Pages have weight. That's why both Superman and Captain Marvel struggled to lift it.
the soul gem itself contains an entire universe within it the same manner as Franklin Richards ball. it is not just power and depending on the power, power itself can have weight.
So you think everyone who lifted soul gem or that M'Kraan crystal shard lifted a universe in their hands, so holocaust survived a universe stabbed in his chest? When jean went into crystal to repair it she commented how it was just a dimensional barrier which separated it from rest of the universe. As for soul gem ask Mr master.
and when Jahf explained the M'kraan crystal he said it contained the multiverse in its various facets, where space is meaningless and a shard of the M'kraan crystal is the same as the whole.. that the infinite cannot be reduced or some such in the age of apocalypse.
why would I ask Mr. Master, when Warlock explained the nature of metaphysics within the Soul Gem. It is a Universe unto itself. Strength and Power is meaningless when it comes to metaphysics. one is only as strong or powerful as one beliefs themselves to be.
their is a point to this that you are all either ignoring or too blind to see.
So holocaust survived a multiverse stabbing or all the guys who lifted that shard are infinitely powerful? Man, what a feat? Where was it stated that the shard or gem were infinitely heavy like with the book where it was specifically stated that to lift it you must be very strong?
my point is that holding a universe in ones hands is an abstract feat and its meaningless in a strength feat comparison the same way a book with infinite pages or with pages of every book ever written would be just as meaningless.
Marvel doesnt worry about applying weight to such a feat hence, a kid can hold a universe in the palm of his hand as any other person without being Superman or Thor strong. Either both are valid or non are valid.
u should ask, why is Captain Marvel and Superman struggling to lift an abstract book when Guys like Warlock and Franklin Richard's can lift an entire universe in their hand?
universes with sentient life, planets, stars, galaxies and even books beyond what can be counted. (please log in to view the image)
And? The difference is those feats were never meant as a strength feat or they would've been listed as such. Make no mistake, DC or marvel both have these kinds of strength feats and are listed as such
My point it doesnt have to be b/c it is an abstract feat but by their own nature and logic it has to have mass b/c they contain universes that exceed the infinite book that so many like to brag and use.
superman and Cap tag teamed to lift a book with every book ever written.
pffff...
a lil kid in marvel held an entire universe in the palm of his hands.
my point is quite clear here. dont use abstract feats b/c if u want to compare them than they are valid.
and who says u need a narration to state it is a strength feat?
a car is a car, a star is a star, a universe is a universe.. for decades writers have not mention strength when characters hold or lift an object that a person would have to be superhuman to lift or would be logically impossible.
here is someone using an excuse to try to discount and discredit something that has happen on panel.
I knew exactly what your point was from the start. Nice try.
You forgot to mention that an aligator swallowed the same universal ball. Let me guess that aligator was trying to chew a universe or gambit can lift a multiverse because he lifted a shard or holocaust survived a multiverse stabbed into him. Your thinly veiled attempts are laughable. Keep it up. This conversation is over.
The book with infinite pages actually had and infinite number of pages, all occupying the same space--that's what makes it different than the infinity gems. If it was a simple matter of 'metaphysics', the book would have weighed the same amount as a normal/average book, but it didn't. That's why Supes/Marv were barely able to lift it.
Point: when one lifts the infinite book, they are actually lifting an infinite amount of weight (as dumb as it sounds.) When one lifts the M'Kraan, they are not lifting the multiverse.
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@ the notion that lifting a shard of the M'Kraan=lifting the multiverse.
Jan 28th, 2012 08:32 PM
