He didn't withstand a beating from two class 100+ trans level character before the crash though.
Correct me if I'm wrong but afaik Creeper won't be able to fight if he's decapitated, not right away that is, which would count as a forum win. He's not going to shrug off Spock's punches either.
I'll agree with that when I see Creeper beat the livving sh!t out of heralds with his bare hands. Or take down A-list teams all by himself. That's more impressive than taking on three-four or even twenty class 70 C-listers in my book. Speed I'm not even going to go there.
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Wait, is it Pete or SpOck that's fighting? Some of their feats shouldn't be allowed to cross, IMHO.
Physically, yes, they're the same, but mentally - SpOck is content to run away from a fight he thinks he cannot win, and return later when he's tooled up and ready. Pete will stay until the bitter end, which then gives rise to some of his higher end feats.
If you're using Pete, then obviously claws and some of his gadgets are out.
If you're using SpOck, then I will call into question the use of some of Pete's feats. Taking machine gun fire and fighting on, for example, wouldn't be SpOck's MO.
As for the original question you asked, about DCnU Creeper, he's now a demon who was originally trapped within Katana's sword, which Killer Croc broke. Now that he's free, he goes around creating tornadoes and possessing people (IIRC; let me check).
Ok, so Creeper prefers to ride bodies that are weak and powerful. Jack is chosen because he reeks of cowardice and egomania. SpOck DEFINITELY matches the egomania criteria, and possibly the cowardice one too: (please log in to view the image)
And before you ask, no, he doesn't need to be dead to be possessed. Earlier in the story, he took a little kid.
As for what he can do, massive tornadoes: (please log in to view the image)
That is a good point. I'm going to use Ock for this fight because that's what the forum rules dictate. Clearly he doesn't have Peters heart but I wouldn't call him a coward either, he doesn't fear death, only failure. And he'd choose retreat over a pointless battle. If something important is at stake or he is challendged he'd attack a team of Avengers without givving it a second thought. So I see no reason for him to run away here. And while there's no on-pannel proof there's a good chance his costume would protect him from getting possessed. Carrion's only trick is possessing people (even the likes of Hyperion) and Spock fought him for hours following him everywhere and Carrion took turns possessing every hero of NY except for Spock himself.
On unrelated note, I really wish they didn't make Creeper a ghost-demon.
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Same, and I don't like the new interpretation of chaos now. He's just turned into a douche.
Toss up whether the suit protects him, but based on its mystical nature (I'll post the scan later of what was needed to stop his possession) as opposed to Carrion's tech based nature, I'm inclined to say he could. Of course, there's also how nothing's been shown to hurt DCnU Creeper apart from mystical means (Soultaker sword, for example).
IIRC, SpOck prepped for him, and had a special gun, right? Which wouldn't be standard equipment, anyway.
Whereas, Creeper's possession can be stopped in the following scan: (please log in to view the image)
So you would need someone A: to know that Creeper is now an oni, B: know the correct rituals and C: enact them correctly and in time, which would constitute prep.
Using the mind transfer tech....which is again, technological in nature. SpOck defeated it by putting armour plating in his head...which I doubt would stop demonic possession.
One that's debatable would work in the first place, and given the differing natures of magic and tech in both Marvel and DC (for example, Reed acknowledging Doom as his superior, or Batman acknowledging his weakness in that subject) I think I have a strong case in saying it won't work.
The recent argument I can think of is Pym using tech to trap Loki, but that involved prep on his part. SpOck is no Pym.
Another way of thinking about it is, would the Japanese ritual of bean throwing have stopped Carrion?
Still completely different from demonic possession, though. Plus, its only one of his options. Still unsure of what would actually harm Creeper...Spock could web him up, he'd just break free. Or even if he doesn't, he could just jump bodies.
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