Dunno true phoenix is destruction and creation on the other hand recent PF has not impressed. by most recent showing TT in a stomp. Before AvX I'd give the nod to Phoenix... barely though.
Thats still the warping of a pocket dimension, skyfathers and hell lords can do that.
Being a representative or agent for Entropy doesnt make him a match for the Phoenix Force who perpetuates the creation cycle being both its beginning and end thereby having the power to control Entropy.
The Phoenix Force as the Big Bang is the sum of all energy in reality. The Abstracts are concepts that gain relevance following the Big Bang event and tap into this creation energy.
Without the Force, there are no Abstracts, Eternity stated that his existence is ensured by the Phoenix Force.
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Before AvX and finding out the Phoenix got spanked by a baby dragon I'd say Phoenix has the edge in raw power. Enough to pull a knockout. By no means would I say it would be easy. But.... I just have to go with the big bang especially if it really is life and evolution itself. By that train of logic the phoenix could technically evolve itself to kill him somehow.
PF is more like a tool and I would rank her below Abstracts like Eternity or Death. I think she can be as powerful as Galactus. She should be Universal.
TT takes it.
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I just don't see it,tbh. Trapper was fighting ZH Mon-El who were fighting in the sun, crashing planets, etc... He has shown more power by creating pocket dimensions and surviving basically everything that was thrown his way.
The story said legends told of that happening. That is inconclusive.
Furthermore, Necrom ripped a shard of the Phoenix Forces power for his own use and the Force fled in pain. Does that mean Necrom is more powerful than the Force or could defeat it in battle?
No.
Because Necrom coveted the Phoenix power so it could make him a god.
Creating pocket dimensions is done by sky fathers and hell lords, it is not as impressive in the cosmic scheme of things as you seem to think.
The PF is the energies of creation, it both triggers reality, sustains it and brings about its end as the Big Crunch thereby showing it controls entropy.
The fact that its the power behind the actual universe itself which makes it exponentially greater than a pocket dimension creator. Odin can do that
Without the PF there are no Abstracts, no reality.
Jean Grey the Forces host has contained the power of the M'kraan crystal which destroyed and recreated the previous Marvel multiverse. A multiversal feat.
Jean Grey has manipulated the atoms of the universe itself and severed timelines from the multiverse and disposed of them.
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