I don't remember what the ROTS Dictionary said, but I kinda remember the commentary, and I believe Lucas said something along the lines of "Palpatine claims he wanted peace, which might be true, but the cost of it was too much." So I always took that as Lucas trying to get the audience to look at it from what may have been Anakin's perspective, hence the word "might." Also, IIRC, in the featurette, Becoming Sidious, Lucas says Palpatine represents the devil, being pure evil and is only in it for power.
Either Lucas was interpreting his commentary statement from may have been Anakin's POV, or there seems to be a contradiction, which wouldn't be surprising.
Edit: found it.
It's towards the beginning at about 0:38.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
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Why would you loathe the latter, when it is the precise reason why Palpatine prevailed where his predecessors failed?
Palpatine for all his arrogance and numerous character flaws, was cultured, refined you could even say holy (in a self righteous sought of way).
Ultimately he chose a Jedi to be his apprentice because only a Jedi could possess those refined qualities. He wanted Anakin to be even more significant than him, to surpass him, if possible. He would have wanted to see the ultimate evolution of the Sith occur through him, and if not him, an even worthier apprentice (if it was Vader's destiny to bring about the ultimate fulfillment of the Sith faith).
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
If Palaptine is like the devil then that supports the idea that he was also holy, and would welcome his demise if the apprentice proved to be a greater master of darkness than he.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
Wait, were does it say Sidious wanted to turn the Galaxy into a dark side nexus like Byss and absorbing everyone's consciousness? Was it in the DE sourcebook?
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
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to my understanding no...but to simply control the blade,..at his back...
no manipulate the blade at his back...I've always found Vader lacking..
Palpatine had no intention of passing the touch,Vader would have forever
been his misguided apprentice. even if he didn't have that Obi wan
accident. if he hadn't made that mistake against Obi Wan,he would
surely had a much worse accident against Palpatine.
young skywalker would have died or remade into half man half machine.
Anakin wasn't so foolish. If he'd defeated Obi Wan he would have been an even greater Sith. Beating Obi Wan channeling the living force is no mean fit.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
Well, in RotS, he seems to want Vader to eventually overthrow and succeed him. Ditto for Galen Marek in TFU. Ditto for Luke in RotJ, even after he had mastered essence transfer. Then, in DE, he apparently wants to absorb the galaxy into his own consciousness or something...but he still takes Luke as his apprentice. Why would he take as an apprentice someone with greater potential than himself, if he wants to live forever?
I felt that while he cared about sith ascendancy, he didn't view it as 'saving' the galaxy. I don't think any version of him felt that- Krayt and Vader did, but they're different.
I think he more took it as the ultimately "We're superior." A Sith works to make more powerful Sith. This is why the Sith won in the end. This was at the core of his training, and etc.. There may be some piece as a side-effect, but purely under Sith terms, and not as a goal (and while technically not a war, I doubt we'd find it the least bit preferable to war). His goal is Sith and his means are Sith, and he will settle for nothing less.
The whole 'devour everything' thing was all Clone Palps who, interestingly, seemed to have different motives.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Well, we've got two motives, one of which we've only seen Clone Palpatine pursue and was only mentioned in the Dark Empire sourcebook, and the other we've only seen pre-death Palpatine pursue. Looks like different motives to me.
Palpatine saw the whole Skylwaker family is no more than an asset, a means to an end. He wasn't that cunning to control an entire family of super Force sensitives. He was a fool to think he could.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Palpatine DOES want vader to overthrow him, or at least take over. He thinks his plan is far more important than himself. That is the point that makes him so powerful and so important... Same thing happened when he taunted luke....
He wanted luke to kill him with HATE so he would go over the top and become the evil that palpatine wanted....
He wants the sith to have peace. The only way for sith to have peace is for the jedi or any opposing faction to be dead. Peace doesn't mean motionless, just means no opposition, no fear of loosing.... pure power.
I disagree...if he wanted Anakin to rule,then Why pursue Eternal Life?
then if he wanted peace then there would be a fear of loosing power ,
sooner or later the apprentice wants to become Master...
Besides Sith and Peace don't sound right anyway...
Peace is a lie,
There is only passion,
through passion I gain strength ,
through strength I gain power,
through power I gain victory
through victory ,my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me .
There is no peace for a Sith as long as they allow themselves to be weakened by infighting....
Palpatine didn't want peace...he wanted to destroy the Jedi and have unlimited power!!!
you kno rule the galaxy forever as Emperor...where was Vader in this......
second in command and apprentice to the emperor .
For Vader it was just an illusion...to over throw Sids.
Sids won't give up his power, to pre suit or peak suit . because in that state .....
Anakin /Vader is just not powerful enough to take the mantle from Sids .
It was never meant or promised to Anakin,just enough to bait him to the dark side .....
Palps dabbled with the idea of eternal life, but deep down he knew it was beyond him while he still needed finite vessels.
His faith in the dark side was his ultimate weakness.
He initially wanted or intended Vader to succeed him - a young powerful Jedi, conceived by the living force - he was any force masters dream of an apprentice. But plans can change, Vader could never release himself from - justifiable - crushing guilt.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
Aug 20th, 2013 05:48 PM
