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I disagree. The LT, actually no one ever stated it was the 616 reality, so it's not obvious.
What is a fact though, is that the DoM is outside Eternity.
When Eternity said I am this uni, .. I'm sure he meant the uni he represents.
Actually, I believe I said or meant without the Nexus she never did anything.
Also, I don't believe she was exercising galactic power,
it was the slight cosmic axis shift that cause that potential danger.
Again, a feat achievable withIN the Nexus.
I don't need to re-read it since I know the IG arc by heart.
They were in the DoM which is located Outside Eternity.
There is no concrete proof that establishes LT's reference as the 616 reality.
Eternity was referring to himself, not his surroundings imo.
Anyway, if they were going to destroy 616 (as in yur opinion)
then they were going to destroy 616 and the DoM. (definitely not just 616)
Yet the LT didn't see it fit to intervene. But he not only PERSONALLY stepped in to attempt to stop Erishkigal he threatened her with a posse of the mighty of the multiverse.
That speaks volumes.
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LT didn't step in cause the IG makes one the legitimate God over reality.
In case yu forgot good friend, the LT was asked to step in with Thanos,
and these detailed reasons were given.
As for silly Erishkigel: Don't remember guy giving her the in-comic stipulations she was blessed with,
like her merging with the Congress and having solo access to the Nexus.
LT saying he's enlisting others to stomp her is just poor writing,
especially after he had just stated he was above her power.
Anyway, based on feats and reason Erishkigel gets wtfstomped by Warlock.
Even if Warlock were given the Incomplete IG he would wtfstomp Erishkigel.
Dude re-created the entire Multiverse after it had just exploded in his struggle with Magus. (Incomplete IG)
No need for a Nexus.
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Last edited by Mr Master on Apr 19th, 2014 at 06:22 PM
^ Regarding re-creating the multiverse: I don't see anything that suggests that except a statement from a Moon Knight tie-in saying that it will determine the fate of the multiverse. Which is contradicted.
As an unbiased reasonable debater you are, I think you'll agree.
Now we can all use this as reference to unequivocally claim the IG was trully Multiversal.
Well, I mean if the Incomplete IG could explode and remake the Multiverse that is.
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Last edited by Mr Master on Apr 19th, 2014 at 07:25 PM
Yeah, these kind of comments tend to get thrown around (concerning the multiverse being threatened, see below), but we must look at the bigger picture here. Apart from that single comment there's nothing to suggest what you're saying. Being in the "farthest edge of the multiverse" doesn't mean much.
In the IG arc, same thing happened, Thanos was indirectly referred to as a multiversal threat, in Dr Strange v3 #32:
That supports my argument that it was universal. Not to mention that Eternity/Infinity defeated that IG. It was confirmed later that it was universal Eternity (when he said "this universe" that is I), and the handbooks also support that it was universal versions.
We've been over this. that GOGT #33 scene, doesn't mention anything about Warlock/Magus.
Thanks, but sorry, i don't agree.
Nope. That's not news to me. Ive been aware of this before, and had it been the case, i would have acknowledged IG being fully multiversal before.
Last edited by operator616 on Apr 19th, 2014 at 08:35 PM
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well, there is an obvious solution to the quandary you gentlemen find yourself in.......
i tend to agree with whomever has said eresh was powerful enough to pose a challenge to lt. a greater challenge than adam would have? impossible to say since we didn't see either battle, but i think the intent was clear: her vs lt was gonna cause a whole lot of trouble for everything. i think the difference between adam and her is only a few degrees either way. ig has more feats, obviously, so i'd likely go with him, but i don't think it's a sure thing.
as for maelstrom--i think in that arc he was intended to be on par with thanos. we even saw a what if where that was depicted as true as the quasar canon book. again, intent seems clear to me. i was always under the impression that it was the q-bands though that were the major source of his power. he even refers to them as a source of infinite power. i think maybe he was tapping them in a way most don't. at least, without going back to look it up, that was my impression. maybe it's a mis-recollection, but it always sort of fit for me.
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I guess we disagree.
From where I stand, the Incomplete IG exploded the Multiverse once Eternity/Infinity joined the battle.
Then Warlock remade all that shit. Simple.
I proved my point with the scans, you had your point and that's that.
Anyway, no different than the arguments made for lucifer's universe made multiverse.
btw. "A universe torn asunder" is referring to the 616 reality cause that's where the FF just landed:
Why would the writer use the term "Multiverse" in reference to the magnitude here,
to then make it so it's juts a single universe at play here.
That would be senseless.
Also, GOGT scene literally states that the Time Ripples are a residual effect of the Infinity War.
Please now do tells us, at what point did the Incomplete IG possibly affect an area located outside an Alternate-Universe 1000 Years in the Future?
*edit: Actually, it was across all Time, since Strange used it to return home.
I only recall the struggle for the Incomplete IG via Magus/Warlock.
If you know of another, let me know.
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Wow, I can't believe I missed that all this time, I knew it, but couldn't put the pieces in perfect alignment,
now I'm 100% convinced that the Incomplete IG performed a pure Multiversal feat.
That's just beautiful cause it says everything about true Goodhood. (complete IG)
Again, no wonder Starlin had Thanos say he was Supreme over All UniverseS,
no wonder Starlin had the LT come with TOAA's power to challenge Warlock.
No wonder, no wonder, no ... yipee.
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Last edited by Mr Master on Apr 19th, 2014 at 09:02 PM
The main reason that she was gonna cause a lot of trouble was only due to her exploiting the nexus and that's it. She could never have affected the multiverse without it. And she even needed to congress to affect it significantly. So without those stipulations involved, she couldn't have caused all the trouble.
That alternate version of weak. They were struggling over a sun (for reasons i can't fathom, because frankly, i don't know what's it supposed to do for either of them). Either way, this reality directly diverged from Quasar #24, meaning when Thanos was still not that much experienced with the IG.
And what argument is that? If you're gonna refer to me then you should understand, i fully acknowledge that what Lucifer made could (there could be made arguments from both sides) have been a universe in Lucifer #13. But the original reality, Yahweh's reality, the mainstream Vertigo reality, was also made by Lucifer (also confirmed in a bio) long before he made his personal reality. And that's a confirmed multiverse no doubt. So don't use that against me, to suggest im biased or something.
It's also senseless for a universal Eternity/Infinity to beat a power which can easily remake the whole multiverse instantly, don't you think?
I dunno, it could be a reference to the Moonshade shit that was going on in the Moon Knight tie-ins. Cause that was fully multiversal (traveling across all realities, causing some dimensional warps). Although i doubt it would reference tie-ins, but either way, there's no confirmation that it was Warlock/Magus, so...
Let me put it this way: What you're suggesting is possible, but there's no confirmation, and there are several contradictions.
Last edited by operator616 on Apr 19th, 2014 at 09:27 PM
^ Im surprised that i have to explain this to you. I highly doubt you didn't realize this, but okay:
In your Warlock Chronicles #3 scans, it's stated that they are embodiments of actuality. While in the IW #5/Magus scan, it's specified that it changes the fate of an (key word, singular) actuality.
Last edited by operator616 on Apr 19th, 2014 at 09:47 PM
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Cool. I just saw what I saw.
Who said Eternity/Infinity merged were universal?
Why were two universal aspects taking care of business at the farthest edges of the Multiverse?
Anyway,
I always found it interesting that the Eternity Warlock has a relationship with,
was portrayed as Multiversal during the Infinity Crusade affair:
Dude could care less about the 616 reality: calls it an infinitesimal part of himself.
It's kinda strange that Stralin would portray the same Eternity as universal and then multiversal.
Of course I don't agree with this cause imo the Eternity from Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War was multiversal.
Not to mention the same Writer is portraying the same damn character.
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Last edited by Mr Master on Apr 19th, 2014 at 09:57 PM
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Moonshade was not affecting any reality whatsoever.
Also, Moonshade would not be referred to as the "infinity War."
On the other hand, Warlock/Magus struggle was literally labeled the Infinity War.
Imo, it's definite. There is no other time and you know this,
where an event happened in Infinity War where all of Time could be affected,
except during the Warlock/Magus struggle which crescendos with Eternity/Infinity jumping in.
Starlin (original) stated it operated across "countless universes."
We have Kavanagh (MoonKnight) follow up on that setting the stage at the "farthest edges of the Multiverse."
Where Reality explodes. (we know 616 was included)
Then to cap it off, we have Gallaguer (GOTG) finalize it by showing us left over affects 1000 years in the Future.
All of Time really since Strange used the ripples to return home 1000 years earlier.
(read top paragraph, sorry about not editing it, im having problems with editing images currently, for some reason).
And that's right associated with the relevant arc (on panel scan from the relevant arc, and the bio narrating the relevant scene). I don't have to reach into another arc (Infinity Crusade) to prove my point.
Because they were threatening the 616 reality.
Maybe Starlin upgraded his view on Eternity/Infinity after Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War. He portrayed them as universal in those two arcs, there's absolutely no denying that and you know it.
.....Which is definitely false.
Last edited by operator616 on Apr 19th, 2014 at 10:16 PM
It's not an insult, at least it wasn't meant to be. I was genuinely surprised that you didn't realize this. Because from where i stand, it's a simple concept to understand. So relax, no need to start with your insults and hostility.
If a word is preceded by "an" or "a" it suggests singular.
(....Brings back memories from the 1st grade of school).
While in the Warlock Chronicles scans this wasn't mentioned meaning it could have been referring either to a universe or a multiverse. How do we know which? According to the context of the story, in which case it was the multiverse, as you know, since the arc made that evident.
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Apr 19th, 2014 05:50 PM
.. Try this word play on someone else son.
