Ben has fought and matched Slade more than once and Slade wasn't weakened in all of them. As for the "superhuman" comment, Ben has taken on guy's a LOT more super human that BP.
Steele Wolf is over/around Spidey level strength level and 1/2 - 1/4 his speed. He has durability around Arm Munro/ MLJ Shield level. Ben with skill danced around him and could put up a strike that "put him down" (though not out).
Which of course he needed just to walk after BT broke his back in their first encounter (so he was also blood lusted)
Ben has faced Superhuman quite a bit. The female furies for instance. Granted he didn't do to well vs Stompa but he did alright IIRC against Mad Harriet.
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and he managed to stalemate and actually have the upper-hand against richard dragon (whom he trained). the skrull feat has always been meh, to me. clearly the skrull didn't use all the skills, or all of them effectively. as i said, he's stronger, but by no means would his strength be a deciding factor in this imo. batman has similar feats and tiger actually one-shot dropped bats. a 13 hour battle is cool, but i don't think the battle would last that long. he lasted against danny ONLY because of his equipment and the fact that danny was basically fighting like a madman.... obviously bp has more feats--given the retarded bump he's had the last couple years, not hard to believe, but find me a time he fought someone as skilled as tiger without armor or weapons or any kind. i think you're putting bp in a skill tier he's not in. i'd say he's below guys like shang, danny, cap and daredevil. to me, that would put him below tiger, without any enhancements of course.
wasn't that Richard dragon feat non canon? Yeah, he dropped him around what time frame again? Please show me anyone with spider-man level speed that tiger has managed to drop. Let's not forget that even as far back as his first few appearances, he was still capable of throwing down with cap (who gives him props to this day). By the way, without any enhancements, he was still a match for typhoid mary, lady bullseye, and some hand ninjas. Oh, and as for strength: http://i1050.photobu...zps62d210e1.jpg http://i1050.photobu...zps8b12b3d5.jpg
got anything other than lowballing, out of context showings, and single panel non fights to back up that claim? I doubt that you do, but I'll give you a chance to prove that you're not lying like you usually do.
kingpin, typhoid mary, lady bullseye, wolverine, and a few others. A better question would be what martial artists has Ben beaten that solidly puts him above panther?
sure wolverine and kp weren't beaten, but it's kind of undeniable that panther was doing just as good (if not better) than matt usually does against fisk and though Logan wasn't down yet, he was getting manhandled.
First issue of Death of Wolverine explained in detail that even though he retained his strength/speed, he was in a pretty horrible shape - radioactive bones covered in metal (from Hiroshima and Nagasaki)... not being able to produce red blood cells properly... plus those hand wounds because of the claws.
Basically, Richards was trying to convince Logan to keep a low profile, but of course he didn't listen.
how does losing his healing factor affect the fight? It's not like panther stabbed him or he was significantly damaged before the fight and that isn't the first time that t'challa was shown to be on logan's level. Doing just as well as Matt does isn't a way to see how his skill stacks up? How the f*ck do you get that they're z-listers? Both Murdock and Logan have had trouble with Mary before and Matt has outright said that lady bullseye is at least on the level of her predecessor.
Again, I need something other than a half dead Slade and a thirty year old batman showing. Tiger lacks a bunch of feats and he has several in which he gets owned.
*addresses one fight with logan and ignores the other two or the fight that panther had against logan's superior (sabretooth)
*suggests that Matt beats bullseye every other Tuesday and ignores that lester has taken Matt down on more than one occasion.
*subtlety says that a thirty year old fight is indicative of how it'd play out today.
*ignores that in the very next fight, batman stalemates tiger
*brings up a low showing from about 20 years ago.
*ignores that bronze tiger was casually owned by lady shiva, beaten on by catman, and batman stalemates him when he's actually ready and knows how skilled he is.
*probably gonna bring up some more low end showings and out of context fights to "prove" that panther is below bt.
Yep, seems like an abhi post to me.
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Ben and Bruce have fought several times. They fought in the first run of Suicide Squad, In JLTF, and again in justice league. All were stalemates, on top of the two fights from Detective comics.
Shiva would own T'Challa too. Bruce has even stated the reason he went to her to train after bane broke his back was because she was the best and he needed his edge back. ANYONE loosing to Shiva is THE expectation NOT a low showing.
Catman has done that to Batman TOO AND he did it to Batman when he wasn't getting fan wanked by Simone.
Wait, getting evenly matched by Batman is now a low feat for a street leveller??? O_o Bruce is high on skill AND carries more weapons than almost anyone. Leo commented that T'Challa in his opinion wouldn't take the majority without his gear. Bruce wouldn't either.
I showed the scans of BT vs Steele Wolfe. SW is basically a more skilled and faster version of Toombstone. Ben can put him down he is capable of putting down T'Challa
creed constantly starts out the fight owning logan. The only reasons behind why logan win are his superior skill, the occasional aid of his friends, or creed getting distracted.
Matt has always had problems with bullseye, both at range and in h2h.
I'm suggesting that batman was less skilled back then. Seriously look at his win/loss ratio and the people he's had trouble with. KGBeast, the reaper, bane, deathstroke, cobra, there's others; I'm too lazy to look them up, but there are others.
It's a low showing when you're wearing armor that protects you from any sort of impact short of a herald's punch and you get downed from a knee to the face.
Batman has casually downed her before. Batman was hardly fighting back in the beginning while Catman was practically going all out.
Naw, I recognize that Panther is beneath quite a few people. I just don't see Ben overcoming the state difference. Sure, he's beaten superpowered enemies before, but how many of them were actually martial artists too?
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