Nobody failed to accept Dooku's weakness, lmao. Still waiting for proof that every time they clash blades Dooku will go flying, though, seeing as it didn't happen with Ventress or Adi Gallia.
Obviously Dooku meeting Savage's strength head-on isn't a wise idea. Thankfully, as we all know, he's going to try to deflect the attacks instead of doing that.
Yes, lets take a story arc where a pre pime oppress can ragdoll dooku+ventress and a wounded ventress can ragdoll anakin+kenobi simultaneously seriously. Especially when after that "power growth" he's getting his barrier broken by ventress and kenobi on their own(with maul's help in the latter case) and performs nowhere close toh ow well he does vs dooku. Season 3 oppress woulds tomp oppress in his prime
Still think Savage sending Dooku flying was a combination of Strength + TK. After all he does the same to Anakin and Obi-Wan moments later (yes he was rage enhanced, but he did it to 2 of them that time, and sent them much further).
Also physically speaking, there's no way a Saber clash alone would send someone flying through the air like that. Either they'd be disarmed or the Saber would be pushed back into their face. But they won't go flying through the air, no matter how hard the Saber clash is.
Using TK with saber combat seems like something Jedi and Sith always do; I remember Anakin's palm playing very close attention to a saber lock him and Dooku had in RotS. And if it's something Savage can do during a fight, all the more power to him.
I don't think anyone said that, but it is a funny idea.
Rule of cool > any argument you could possibly make. Savage beating Dooku would not be the cool move to make in TCW. But it doesn't mean Nova isn't in for a rinsing when I tackle his post tomorrow.
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Nope but in short there's nothing spectacular about the context of his swatting away of Dooku. The idea that hitting thin air, which wastes way more energy than landing a hit, provides some kind of special momentum is unfounded. And even if it is the case, Dooku's tactic will be to make Savage miss, hence I see a repeat happening.
Your post addressed this in advance IIRC. Something about "Dooku will learn from his mistake." Can we apply this to Savage and lightning, in a canon where he was apprenticed to one of three existing Sith Lords for months after being hit by said lightning? A canon where Ventress (sub-Sith training) and Obi-Wan (has at best trained with simulation lightning) can block it on their worst day? Or is Savage incapable of 1+¹=2????
If you find a way to refute that I think the cancer might go terminal. I'm even using fictional parameters of your choosing at this point.
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Hitting thin air doesn't give you momentum, but continuing that into another strike and so on will. Try it yourself, lol. You also didn't address my point that Dooku was poorly positioned (not sure why they had that happen for a Makashi master, but that's TCW for you).
As for Dooku missing Savage's strikes and then going flying when the blades hit again, I already said that if the circumstances repeat themselves, then it can happen again. I'm just not seeing a simple strike from Savage sending Dooku flying on contact. If he keeps missing strikes and builds up momentum, then lands an attack when Dooku is poorly positioned again, then of course the same thing will happen again. And arguably, Dooku would go flying further, since Savage is probably stronger by now too.
Why not? I didn't say anything about Lightning. I'm not expecting Dooku to hold him down like a hound with Lightning or anything.
But as with Savage sending Dooku flying, just because it won't happen every time he attacks, doesn't mean it can't happen. Dooku might still tag Savage with Lightning at some point, just as Savage might still disarm Dooku at some point.
I said I would tomorrow, but I'm gonna do it now.So as we established, this is a strawman. "Every single time" isn't the same as not being probable. I'm arguing for probable.
Or Dooku's age caught up with him, and those two much younger fighters have demonstrated their superior strength? Like I said, maybe Dooku not being perfect is a thing idk????
It tells me he ran out of ideas and opted not to get cut in half.
You countered your own post for me.
"he" - f*cking Dooku the man himself
positioned "himself" - no, the government didn't do it, climate change didn't do it, Lucas didn't do it, f*cking Dooku did it
poorly.
Also? Why do you think it might be that Dooku was in a bad position? Hmm?
Could it be that every time Savage tried to hack him in half he moved back. Moving back being an uncomfortable way to fight at the best of times due to the liability of basic human motor skills? You know, how we're designed not to walk the way our f*cking eyes aren't looking??????
And poor position? Really? What was wrong with it? The ground was flat. I didn't see any old-bastard magnets in the vicinity. And when Dooku went for his flight I saw plenty of air-time before he actually came into contact with a wall.
So please Nova. I'm enthralled. Elucidate on why Dooku - not Savage - not only got himself into a "bad position", but also on how it's NAWT HIS FAWLT OKEY DOOKU PEFECT
Hitting thin air multiple times in a row combined with walking forwards. The most efficient momentum builder in the history of martial arts. How revolutionary and unique and unfair. Poor Dooku.
Better than being cut in half, clearly, hence why he did it. But sans your fictional parameters of "NOT DOOKU FAWLT BAD POSITION OKEY", what other options are available to him? Dodging infinitely? Meeting his blows at a glancing angle, which is not only dangerous but a huge tax on his stamina?
The thing I love most about this discussion is that I don't even disagree with anything you're saying. It's just a case of working with you until you realise whose argument you've been supporting the entire time. Tip: not your own.
So your evidence that Dooku will be able to consistently meet Savage's blade without his stamina or balance flagging, is that he managed to lose to Yoda in 40 seconds? Savage who has already sent him flying, opposed to Yoda who didn't? And I know how much you love using the novel/junior novel, so before you do, I'll remind you that on top of Yoda possibly holding back, and not at all being a strength-based fighter (which is what taxes Dooku's strength most quickly, not light fast strikes), he spent the all of the beginning of the duel fighting only defensively. When he went on the offensive, guess who lost?
So again, to sum up in perfectly simple terms:
Savage - not Yoda. Yoda - not Savage.
Losing - not very good evidence to use.
Totally agreed Nova, totally agreed. And I like the enthusiasm.
Man, and the momentum by itself was enough, wasn't it? Poor Dooku.
AhhhhhhhHHHHHHH WE NEARLY GOT SOMEWHERE
IT'S ALMOST LIKE SOMETIMES YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE WHEN SOMEONE IS SWINGING A LIGHTSABER AT YOU NOVA STOP
I DIDN'T
THEN EAT YOUR GODDAMN MEDICINE NOVA BECAUSE THE "CONSEQUENCE" IN QUESTION IS ANOTHER TRIP TO F*CKING WALL-LAND
LMAO
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS
THEY DON'T MAKE DEBATERS LIKE THIS ANY MORE
NO SIR
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
WALKING FORWARD = PROBABLY MOMENTUM
WALKING FORWARD = PROBABLY NOT A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO REPLICATE
SECOND PARAGRAPH HAS BEEN COVERED
AS FOR LIGHTNING
IF AOTC KENOBI CAN RENDER IT OBSOLETE I WONDER HOW THE F*CK SAVAGE IS GOING TO DO. I BET HE'S IN A WORLD OF FRIGGING TROUBLE, WHAT WITH ALL THAT EXPERIENCE HE HAD WITH LIGHTNING AND THE TIME HE HAD TO REFLECT ON IT AND IT BEING SOMETHING A DARK JEDI LIKE VENTRESS CAN FIGURE OUT AND GEE I WONDER IF MAUL TOLD HIM AND I WONDER WHY THE WRITERS HAD SAVAGE BLOCKING IT IN A SCENE THAT WAS ANIMATED TO A DEGREE AND RELEASED TO US AND IS THIS ACTUALLY REALLY DIFFICULT OR SOMETHING I DON'T F*CKING GET IT BUT I'M WAITING WITH BAITED BREATH FOR YOUR NEXT POST NOVA LET'S HEAR IT BUDDY
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__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Jan 17th, 2017 12:40 AM
