A flight plan alone takes more than an hour.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_plan
Again, you're mixing your Bats. Comics Lets him fly unregistered aircraft in the city/the world with no reprucussions.
Wayne aircraft arent going to fly around unchecked. The pilot has to abide by regulations.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point was, it takes even less prep.He has to ring the pilot of the plane, get it all fuelled up etc, to fly over a specific area, at a specific time (i.e one hour from now).
As it's all his own resources, from his own company which he owns, an hour isn't even needed to do so.
Originally posted by riv6672
A flight plan alone takes more than an hour.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_plan
Again, you're mixing your Bats. Comics Lets him fly unregistered aircraft in the city/the world with no reprucussions.
Wayne aircraft arent going to fly around unchecked. The pilot has to abide by regulations.
Except he extradited a foreign national from Chinese sovereign territory....without repercussions.
He flew a giant cargo plane over HK, extracted Lau,and flew off. No Chinese military intervention, whether in or out of Chinese airspace. Effectively kidnapped a high ranking foreign national (he was very well protected, remember) and brought him to the US, even though the whole operation was as illegal as hell.
Originally posted by Juntai
Bruce beats Matt, also.
He was decidedly meta.
He can drop leagues of dudes in seconds, and even fell from a skyscraper and crushed a car and walked away.
He jumped from the top of a parking garage and brought an escaping van to an instant stop and he smashed it into a van-cake.Bane's punches were enough that when Batman ghosted out of the way, Bane blew a whole into a concrete pillar and cracked it.
Daredevil through the course of the series just gets the piss beat out of him constantly. He can barely survive random goons and mobsters.
That Hallway scene Bruce would have ran down and clobbered in seconds.
Bruce tends to one-shot most everyone he runs into, while DD has to hit dudes a ****ing ton it seems.
One ****ing shot and Daredevil would be damn near broken. And Bats is RIDICULOUSLY faster in combat.
Originally posted by riv6672I don't think I could've replied to those rediculous statements better myself.
^^^one hour, and this isnt comics Bats, who can do anything.Not THIS Bruce.
He was decidedly not.
Romanticized description, nice.
Biased description, also nice.
Opinion as fact.
Seems to you, but then you say Bruce one shotted most everyone in those movies; your perception of reality cant really be trusted.
Opinion presented as fact.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85He also had weeks of prep to prepare for bane and do you know what his big plan was? To punch bane in the face a bunch of times until his mask broke and even then he got outsmarted by Talia. His big plan against the Joker? Punch him in the face a bunch of times and string him up. Even then, Joker still had him on the ropes and could've killed him I he didn't stop to banter. So yeah, he turned the lights off and beat up some random goons before abducting an accountant with no skill. Doesn't mean that he's going to get Frank in the same way.
One hour of prep? IIRC, when he extradited the guy from Hong Kong, it was all his own resources.Assuming of course that this battle at the top of a warehouse takes place within a flying distance of a plane owned by Wayne Enterprises....all Bruce needs to prep for is to get the harness he already owns and knows works.
So your view of the fight is that Bats will use that 1 he to go fisticuffs against a sniper who's armed to the teeth with long range weaponry?
Ok.
My view is equally valid. As it is also based on what happened in the movies. Skill or no skill, accountant or not, it's still a valid tactic, based on what's happened, and his resources.
This isn't a thrilling fight where Bats has to show the audience what an amazing fighter (or not) he is. BFR is a cheap tactic, but it wins fights.
Batman tries his best to win. He doesn't fight with honour, man to man. He uses his superior tech and every cheap trick in the book.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85joker and three Rottweilers also wrecked Batman. 😖hifty:
So your view of the fight is that Bats will use that 1 he to go fisticuffs against a sniper who's armed to the teeth with long range weaponry?Ok.
My view is equally valid. As it is also based on what happened in the movies. Skill or no skill, accountant or not, it's still a valid tactic, based on what's happened, and his resources.
This isn't a thrilling fight where Bats has to show the audience what an amazing fighter (or not) he is. BFR is a cheap tactic, but it wins fights.
Batman tries his best to win. He doesn't fight with honour, man to man. He uses his superior tech and every cheap trick in the book.
👆 thanks for proving my point, lol.
The more low showings you use, the more it convinces me that hey, Batman WON'T go Mano a Mano with Punisher. After all, he knows an untrained (possibly?) Joker ripped him apart...what more to say a highly professional, possibly deranged war vet?
Why risk it? No ego here. No need to send a sign to the city, or whatever. Just end the fight,as surely and as quickly as possible.
Batman wins with BFR 🙂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85except that even with his resources and weeks to prepare, he still chose to go for a fist fight with bane (a highly skilled, physically superior, possibly deranged killer). Just because he can bfr, doesn't mean that he does. He didn't do it in any of the movies and even if he is fighting to the best of his abilities, he still is in character.
👆 thanks for proving my point, lol.The more low showings you use, the more it convinces me that hey, Batman WON'T go Mano a Mano with Punisher. After all, he knows an untrained (possibly?) Joker ripped him apart...what more to say a highly professional, possibly deranged war vet?
Why risk it? No ego here. No need to send a sign to the city, or whatever. Just end the fight,as surely and as quickly as possible.
Batman wins with BFR 🙂
His intelligence is also part of his abilities 👆
PIS, where he has to fight Bane in a showdown for the city to show them he has returned, stronger than ever, is not needed here. He also had the Batplane on standby, and was only undone by Talias betrayal.
Don't forget, too, that Bane had bankrupted Wayne, and stolen all his tech, lol, when he came back from India. So hardly at his optimum.
Originally posted by JuntaiThe way I remember those scenes, they were all being retold by those kids, right? And each kid embellished different parts of Batman, contributing to the larger Bat myth. So, feats shouldn't be usable.
And if we wanted to get technical the anime Gotham Knight is considered Canon to the Nolan movies, and he was basically teleporting around smashing the shit out of people in it.
It's been a while since I've watched it though.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85his intelligence was played up far less in the movies. He was more of a skilled detective with h2h abilities. Hell, Lucius was the one that made all of his gadgets and Lucius was also the one that told Batman about the skyhook program.
His intelligence is also part of his abilities 👆PIS, where he has to fight Bane in a showdown for the city to show them he has returned, stronger than ever, is not needed here. He also had the Batplane on standby, and was only undone by Talias betrayal.
Don't forget, too, that Bane had bankrupted Wayne, and stolen all his tech, lol, when he came back from India. So hardly at his optimum.
I can overlook the bane showing. But in Batman begins, he could've just blown up the train pillars and let Ra's seal his own fate, but he instead went for a fist fight.
In the Dark Knight, he could've just gassed the building and then taken the joker down while swat sorted out who was a henchman and who wasn't. Instead, he went for a fist fight (that he was losing btw).
Out of the box thinking doesn't seem to be his forte tbh.
Originally posted by riv6672Absolutely this Bruce.
Not THIS Bruce.He was decidedly not.
Romanticized description, nice.
Biased description, also nice.
Opinion as fact.
Seems to you, but then you say Bruce one shotted most everyone in those movies; your perception of reality cant really be trusted.
Opinion presented as fact.
Daredevil show has better fight choreography, but Batman trumps him in results.
Nolan purposely went for this because a Batman that was fast and brutal rather than flashy and dance-like.
His first real outing as Batman he took a dozen guys in 21 seconds. There's even frame of reference because a guy steps around the corner and sees it, and can barely get around the corner of a shipping container and into a car before its over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq85kxJfcLA
He takes on half a dozen again here in seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMiEhOkKVAs
Bats and Catwoman dropping dropping a dozen thugs in seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW2tMntp120&t=27s
After his initial tackle to change the location of the fight, he gets surrounded by 4 attacking League of Shadows at once at 27 seconds mark, and he crashes the last one to the ground 30 seconds later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgWCZvowEjY&feature=youtu.be
Takes out a handful of Jokers guys in seconds, only extended because he's momentarily grabbed, but Joker still can't land a shot on him, then jumps from a skyscraper to save Rachel and crashes into a car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHccsaTakg
Batman vs Scarecrow and a handful of armed guards in an open area. He's so fast and brutal they can get never get an aim on him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqLDCIZ1DIs&feature=youtu.be&t=45s
Here he's running down a corridor straight at a guy while evading gunfire
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235159/5569502-m2gogqj+-+imgur.gif
This is how hard Bane hits. These are what Bruce is getting hit with, and keeps fighting.
https://i.stack.imgur.com/6dibC.gif
Not only did he do the previous drop from a skyscraper into a car. In his early outing he got surprised by scarecrow, hit with fear toxin, set on fire, leapt from a 4th story window, crashed into a car, put himself out and got up and out of the way.
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235159/5569601-h6ocjet+-+imgur.gif
When he finally engages, he takes a couple guys in seconds, drags a guy while being attacked by the dogs and just casually tosses it, gets hit by a van a grabs it. The van drives him into a pole he's cutting into the side of it, and he just stands up and drops down and smashes the whole thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB3qdnHeIJQ
He's in an entirely different league than Daredevil. Shit Daredevil barely survived would be an inconvienience at most on the fly, and here he has the prep on his side.
Originally posted by Juntaigets wrecked by the joker with three Rottweilers
Absolutely this Bruce.Daredevil show has better fight choreography, but Batman trumps him in results.
Nolan purposely went for this because a Batman that was fast and brutal rather than flashy and dance-like.
His first real outing as Batman he took a dozen guys in 21 seconds. There's even frame of reference because a guy steps around the corner and sees it, and can barely get around the corner of a shipping container and into a car before its over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq85kxJfcLAHe takes on half a dozen again here in seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMiEhOkKVAsBats and Catwoman dropping dropping a dozen thugs in seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW2tMntp120&t=27sAfter his initial tackle to change the location of the fight, he gets surrounded by 4 attacking League of Shadows at once at 27 seconds mark, and he crashes the last one to the ground 30 seconds later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgWCZvowEjY&feature=youtu.beTakes out a handful of Jokers guys in seconds, only extended because he's momentarily grabbed, but Joker still can't land a shot on him, then jumps from a skyscraper to save Rachel and crashes into a car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHccsaTakgBatman vs Scarecrow and a handful of armed guards in an open area. He's so fast and brutal they can get never get an aim on him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqLDCIZ1DIs&feature=youtu.be&t=45sHere he's running down a corridor straight at a guy while evading gunfire
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235159/5569502-m2gogqj+-+imgur.gifThis is how hard Bane hits. These are what Bruce is getting hit with, and keeps fighting.
https://i.stack.imgur.com/6dibC.gifNot only did he do the previous drop from a skyscraper into a car. In his early outing he got surprised by scarecrow, hit with fear toxin, set on fire, leapt from a 4th story window, crashed into a car, put himself out and got up and out of the way.
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235159/5569601-h6ocjet+-+imgur.gifWhen he finally engages, he takes a couple guys in seconds, drags a guy while being attacked by the dogs and just casually tosses it, gets hit by a van a grabs it. The van drives him into a pole he's cutting into the side of it, and he just stands up and drops down and smashes the whole thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB3qdnHeIJQHe's in an entirely different league than Daredevil. Shit Daredevil barely survived would be an inconvienience at most on the fly, and here he has the prep on his side.
Takes out three goons before getting laid out by the fourth. Notice how joker could've just shot him instead of going for Rachael.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhSqGupieog
"Clearly meta." Gets knocked unconscious by crashing a motorcycle even when he has armor on.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mKl11EzMTAE
Gets wrecked by bane (a character with a high level of pain tolerance and debatable skill)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rDuetklFtDQ
Meanwhile, Matt while half dead and horribly injured still takes out between 6-8 armed thugs while getting hit very few times.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFY
Daredevil fights and beats four trained hand ninjas who were masking their noises. Matt was essentially fighting blind and still owned them when he got the hang of it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JnVz5kbXOJA
An injured daredevil takes out two dozen armed bikers.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CvkiPS5Ks
He and elektra (who is inferior to him in h2h ) beat nobu (an actual meta) and the dozen other hand ninjas that he brought with him.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yc96eJMEBII
Matt still got the shit kicked out of him by Frank. Note how Matt gets the drop on him twice.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjHNJ0tyiY
Matt gets the drop on him again. Frank falls several feet off of the water tower, lands on his back, falls a few more feet, landing on his face, gets back up, and proceeds to evenly fight Matt while bullets are narrowly missing him. (Unlike Batman, Frank didn't have the luxury of wearing armor for this feat.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kN59PQvvWQE
Beats down nine prisoners (most of whom were armed) and the only points in time that he didn't seem to be in control was when he was stabbed in the arm and when one prisoner blindsided him when he was dealing with another.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M8AvWkrppsg
Even after being injured, he evenly fights the kingpin. Notice that he's chained and can't fight properly.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqXwlkBjpA
After being tortured, he escapes kills three gangsters, gets shot a couple of times, and is still in good enough condition to three piece two thugs. Oh, and is that also the supposedly "weak" daredevil that "gets beat up by thugs" casually two shotting them?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xce0cl3WJx0
Oh, and BTW, running down a dark alley and dodging your opponents aim is not even close to actually dodging gunfire. 😆
You might wanna take those rose colored glasses off.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except he extradited a foreign national from Chinese sovereign territory....without repercussions.He flew a giant cargo plane over HK, extracted Lau,and flew off. No Chinese military intervention, whether in or out of Chinese airspace. Effectively kidnapped a high ranking foreign national (he was very well protected, remember) and brought him to the US, even though the whole operation was as illegal as hell.
I'll let this drop, as when we disagree it results in you getting really catty, and i'd rather not go there right now.
Originally posted by riv6672
Yes, and he didnt do THAT in an hour either, and used sources that couldnt be traced back to him.
What you suggested was he use his own resources, his own plane, to beat Punisher.
Thats what i rebutted.
Nice try at circling around though.I'll let this drop, as when we disagree it results in you getting really catty, and i'd rather not go there right now.
Yeah, he used a cargo plane etc.
Here? Batplane.
