Mephisto is a notorious liar. He's thrown fights just to make the opponent think they'd won while he continues on with his plans. You really think being buried under rocks is going to do anything to him?
He straight up told Surfer he could have killed him any time he wanted but that would put his soul outside Mephisto's power. He's one shotted Surfer OUTSIDE of his hell. Something very few beings have done : (please log in to view the image)
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i KNEW you'd show that scan.... you do realize that scan is nearly 50 years old, yes? but, ok, cool. i concede. we'll say that sbp wins 1/10 because he can seal mephisto in....solidified lava.
because he has hardly any showings to suggest THAT scene isn't ridiculous.
There was another instance after that where Mephisto admitted that he couldn't even harm thor, in fact thor could have battled Mephisto for all eternity and managed to blackmail him into freeing innocent souls because of that very fact. There was a yet older encounter where Thor defeats Mephisto by enlarging his good soul though this wouldn't work here.
Mephisto has been also stalemated by surfer and in another instance surfer beat him outright. But then again, we were shown several times how Mephisto is literally immune to surfer's powers and other times he intentionally feigns defeat (his ultimate goal is to win surfer's soul after all). So the question is, do we attribute Mephisto's losses (even in those stories where he wasn't explicitly mentioned to feign defeat) as feigning defeat by default or do we consider them legitimate? Personally, i would consider them a legitimate loss unless specifically stated otherwise.
But regardless of his lows, Mephisto's general depiction in hell is that he's all powerful there, quite literally he could do anything he wished. So he'd definitely defeat prime if the fight is in hell. Outside of his realm, Mephisto's power level decreases by quite a margin but even outside hell he has showings like growing to solar system size (and stated to be able to grow universe size) while engaging in a multi-universal battle. Although he rarely displays that kind of power outside hell, so it'd be pretty close between him and prime.
I fail to see how it doesn't prove that Mephisto can take down prime. Did you even read my post? I mean, even outside of his realm, he could grow to universe size and engage in a multi-dimensional battle, and yet he has "not enough juice"?
In his realm, Mephisto's power has been likened to a cosmic cube; he can literally grant himself any wish:
The first battle between Thor and Mephisto(see the scans abhi posted) took place in Thor v1 #205. Their second battle --which resulted in an eternal stalemate-- took place in Thor v1 #310. Mephisto later confirmed that he and Thor were equals, and would *always* stalemate one another, in Thor v1 #325: http://i.imgur.com/2brrFsC.jpg
*Both battles took place within Meph's own realm, btw(stupid as it may be.)
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oh, i know he has some lows, but again, by general depiction, i don't see how prime has a chance to put him down. it can be argued that meph would have hell (heh) putting prime down, but with enough time it's hard for me to see meph losing any but a tiny minority tbh. /shrug
not entirely sure how much GA prime would do. meph just has too many options--when at his best.
opr, do you recall any times when meph forcefully took a soul? i recall several 'deals' but don't remember him actively taking a soul i don't think....
Yeah, I don't know how standard Prime would fair, but the dude's resistance to various types of energy attacks is off the charts(tanking pure anti-matter from AM himself, along with universe-busting Quantum energy is f*cking unreal...and that's just the tip of the iceberg.) Tack on the fact that Meph is a magic-based entity, and I could totally see Prime tanking most of his direct attacks.
That said, Meph could likely beat standard Prime via BFR, if nothing else... He wouldn't be able to BFR GA Prime, however, given that he can literally punch into any dimension/universe he wants.
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Oh I know quite a few beings who have oneshotted Surfer.
And that wasn't feigning defeat.
I like how losing to Thor means you will lose only 1/10 to SBP. Yes, the scan is 50 years old, will you post something new from Mephisto? Because I can post quite a few showings where he gets his ass handed to him.
You're once again forgetting, he can just punch Mephisto really, really hard.
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yeah, that's why i made the thread. meph would need to be more exotic. the black lanterns scans abhi showed did show one possibility--meph could just keep sending, literally, infinite numbers against prime. he's got some powerful souls down there but endless numbers of demons. prime could kill...billions, but it wouldn't matter. his reality control in hell is very high too. i could more believably see meph playing off primes love for laurie, tempting him with his dream-come-true. not sure how it would go though, but it would be interesting.
yeah i don't really consider bfr a win though. i think the ONLY showing that gives me pause to say prime could take this is the alejandro ghost rider battle. but i can't quite figure if what she did to him was because she was magic herself, and a demon. she pulled his heart out and the heart represented hell itself--ie destroying it destroys all of hell which is the only way to actually beat mephisto for real. if he pulled some illogical sh!t and was able to get his heart, he could win. but again, that was a one time deal that i don't think prime could auto repeat due to circumstance. i say that because in another instance he was again stabbed right through the heart and....nothing. didn't impact him at all. in his better showings, in every sense of the word meph is an abstract in hell. his physical body is meaningless and can literally change shape and form at will. 'punching him really hard' isn't going to matter. if he doesn't want to be touched he can't be touched. maybe a stalemate with GA prime? not sure. has prime ever beaten a real abstract being? how does he fight if meph assumes a spirit form? just doesn't seem like prime could answer meph's more exotic powers. /shrug
Im pretty sure that's one of the limitations he actually has given that Mephisto's whole shtick is tricking people into committing sins so he can claim their souls. It's also the main reason he didn't just kill surfer instantly (outright mentioned), he wanted to corrupt him and then kill him so that his soul goes to his realm.
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thought so too. but i remember an incident where meph literally plucked ss's soul right out of him. wasn't sure about the context of the scene though. do you know the one i'm talking about?
You're probably thinking when Mephisto was disguised as Nova (whom Surfer was romantically involved for a brief period of time before her death), Mephisto basically tricked surfer to pledge his love/soul for Nova (who was actually mephisto) and by doing so, enabled mephisto to rip his soul out.
Hadn't thought about this, but it would actually make a lot of sense for Meph to f*ck with Prime in such a way... Totally fits with his essential nature as a 'tempter' and whathaveyou.
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