They're transitioning in a society that will stigmatize them though, even to the point of physical violence. That probably contributes to the suicide rate.....
I don't know if Eon wanted us to go on this tangent in this thread, but, the argument is that gender is different from sex. The goal isn't to literally change chromosomes.
...although, it's conceivable that will be possible in the future.
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Yeah, understandable, that's a commonly held belief. I think there's two main ways that some people differ with your view a) many people believe that universal medicare should go far beyond emergency situations, including all sorts of preventative and even lifestyle medical interventions and b) trans rights advocates in particular would argue that it does fall into emergency situation anyways, for that you have to accept the view that in particular gender dysphoria is a valid medical problem, that can lead to immense emotional pain, crippling depression and suicide. I understand if that's not convincing to you, but it is certainly a view that exists among medical professionals as well.
As for the gastric bypass surgery, that was just an example of where the reasoning is similar.
I've encountered a handful of individuals who were pretty clearly taking hormones to fit their gender. I'll admit, I have always been taken aback for a half of a second. Barely enough time for almost anyone to recognize. It's totally reactionary, and not meant in malice. Never had problems. Goog people are good people.
__________________ Listen, boy. Have you ever had your scrotum pulled off by a mountain goat and seen him sell it on eBay a day later?
Gotcha. I understand your reasoning now. I do disagree that crippling depression due to whatever circumstances should be covered by tax funded programs. I realize that sounds callous. Mom's, dad's, brothers and sisters should recognize when one of their own needs emotional support. If a girl wants to be a boy or the other way around, a good family will recognize that and raise them right to reach that goal.
Crappy families that can't take care of their own shouldn't have to burden their neighbors with non emergency surgeries.
__________________ Listen, boy. Have you ever had your scrotum pulled off by a mountain goat and seen him sell it on eBay a day later?
Hmm, yeah I see your point of view, a strong familial bond, or a social network generally, goes a long way.
I guess to me there's a lot of things that it can't cover and that I think is better if they are covered not just because of like emotional "I want this poor people not to suffer" reasons (although those are important to me), but solely from a mere cost-benefit analysis for society as well.
If they can point to some kind of legit medical test that proves they were born in the wrong bodies, sure. otherwise it sounds like a psychological problem, where we should be encouraging therapy.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Artol
Right there with you. Nobody should have to suffer. Everyone needs help. A strong social network, outside of family is just as good. Sometimes it's better.
__________________ Listen, boy. Have you ever had your scrotum pulled off by a mountain goat and seen him sell it on eBay a day later?
The entire premise of your post is about limiting the rights of individuals to do what they wish with their own bodies.
You got called out on it, and then cried that your freedom of speech was being abridged, even though no one, least of all the government, tried to censor you.
What you were complaining about is that someone else exercised their freedom of speech in response, and you did not like it.
How is that not an individual exercising their freedom or speech? Perhaps you aren’t one that’s privy to details since you haven’t read the posts from myself or several other members and instead choose to harp on with selective hearing, or “reading” in this case.
This is an open forum, not a say all, be all type of environment. Allowance is a vague term and subject to a myriad of scrutiny, tests, etc. the fact that I’m being open minded about this and you are not speaks volumes on your subjective and fallacious opinion. Try harder, boy. I love how triggered you get.
No one stated it was not, you little crybaby. What is at issue is you crying that your freedom of speech was being abridged, because someone else exercised their freedom of speech in response.
allowverb[/] To permit: To [i]allow one to alter his body.
By all means, provide a more charitible definition of the term that does not follow "subject permits object."
But do not try too hard, because you already gave your position away on who should be allowed to do what:
You clearly lack reading comprehension and are inanely vitriolic in your end goal here, which happens to be unclear. You love to make matters more than what they are at their core principle.
Keep on quoting mindlessly without clear purpose, idiot.
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