I suppose Michael's greatest solo feat would be using his energy to renew every single atom of Yahweh's creation -- a task that, per the Angels, only God himself could accomplish.
His Demiurgic power was also used:
-As the foundation/power-source for Lucifer's creation.
-As the foundation/power-source that would enable Elaine to become the next God/Yahweh.
Also worth mentioning that Carey has stated in interviews since that he views the terms "universe" and "multiverse" interchangeably. In his eyes, they represent the exact same thing: the sum total of creation(ie. a myriad of realms/dimensions, etc)... Effectively everything within the Vertigo-verse at the time.
you should actually read the story and find out yourself, because just reading your posts there are so many errors you almost seem clueless
as long as creation exist michael cannot die. the only way for michael to die and not reborn is to take his dunamis demiurgos power from him and give it to somebody else (like him giving it to elaine), or else the entire creation die with him
when michael was stabbed by lucifer (willingly), so lucifer can create another multiverse. michael reborn instantly, his rebirth was what triggered lucifer's big bang.
the second time, he was fighting fenris possessed lucifer. and he was holding back, he did not want to hurt his brother. thus lucy was able to kill him. and as he was dying, he gave all his power to his daughter elaine. cause the entire creation/multiverse would go with him if he dies. without his dunamis power he's just a mortal shell and that's when he actually died. he died but his power never went away. the dunamis demiurgos power reside within elaine now.
beyonder doesn't compare to the dunamis demiurgos power it just doesn't. that's the power of the presence/yahweh. in marvel term it's the power of toaa.
when michael was inside the logos he was able to use that power to renew God's name on every atom in creation
for beyonder to compare you first need to prove the marvel multiverse is on the same level of scale/size as dc (which is not), then you have to prove beyonder possess the power equivalent to the one above all that can build and end creations (which he cannot), then we can have a logical discussion.
if we are gonna just reduce to lowballing like you are doing. I'll just start pulling out scans of puma, but that kind of discussion really won't get us anywhere
in dc the new 52 is a local multiverse with various realms and dimensions yet it is only a small part of the cosmo, a local area of the entire dc multiverse
similar to 616
when you are talking marvel 616 as a multiverse, the word multiverse does not mean infinite in the sense of scale/size
It's alright that you completely ignore the entirety of volumes 2-3 of Lucifer save for a select few panels. No problem as it's not my first rodeo.
So you would give similar full faith and credit to Chaos King who was announced as having eaten 98% of the Marvel Multiverse? Then a dying God Herc restored the entire Marvel Multiverse?
^ So by the lip service you rely on, then why aren't you of the persuasion that Beyonder outscales multiversal entities by millions of times? As if the Marvel Multiverse were a drop of water and Beyonder were the ocean?
I assume you're aware of the statements that the Beyonder was millions times more powerful than the Marvel Multiverse. I also assume that you're aware that it was like a drop of water compared to the ocean that is the Beyond realm.
By all means, show me scans where Beyonder isn't even close to that scope of power that, apparently to you: Michael represents.
So people are talking about Beyonder in this thread like PR Beyonder is canon again. Is this the case? Is he back to being a far above multiversal badass?
The majority of Pre Retcon Beyonder's feats are canon because they are mentioned in his handbook entry and/or on panel in later issues :
Molecule Man gathering all the free energy in the multiverse to create a force field and Beyonder casually shattering it
Beyonder laughing off a billion dimension destroying blast from Molecule Man
All the great powers of the multiverse including Eternity and the Living Tribunal unable to stop Beyonder from killing Death and unable to reverse the damage once he did it
Beyonder's essence creating a whole other reality when the heroes destroyed the machine he was incarnating in (he recreated himself there too)
*Keep in mind he did this while at HALF power and the majority of his time during Secret Wars I and II he was in mortal form.
**Also keep in mind, the multiversal feats of Molecule Man during SW I and II that are still canon actually belong to the Beyonder because Molecule Man had the other half of Beyonder's power.
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