When has this "hope role" concept ever explicitly limited Superman on-panel due to brainwashing? Or are you just describing CIS? So... Superman wins because he's the protagonist. That's a characteristic he shares with every headlining superhero in comics??? leonidas' OP set forth that the brainwashing is inescapable. Am I the only one that thinks Highfather would individually take down this hypothetically bloodlusted Superman? Let alone a prepped Highfather... let alone a prepped Highfather who has the entirety of New Genesis helping him?????
Yes, its been shown several times that both his mental state is almost everything in relation to his powers, and also that under mind control his full powers can't be accessed. It's also been shown that when acting in accordance to his role or what is good and just, his power is increased.
And no, not every protagonist is actually the living embodiment of hope.
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Mental state affects pretty much every superhero's powers. What sort of unremarkable attribute is this? And, yes, while this unremarkable premise is a factor that can be significant, your characterization of is an overexaggeration. The real thing that "is almost everything in relation to his powers" isn't his mental state. It's the plot. If the plot needs Superman to overcome all odds, yea. Which goes for every superhero. This separate premise is yet another unremarkable concept that really has nothing to do with this "hope role" concept you're peddling. Just provide an example of this "hope role" self-amp happening on-panel. Then, post an example where brainwashing short-circuited this "hope role" self-amp on-panel. (please log in to view the image)
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oh boy this is gonna get ugly lol and yeah--he's not mind controlled carv. he's just being tricked. he feels he's cmpletely in the right in deciding to finally rid the universe of its greatest source of evil.
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the flip side of that is that carv was wrong. is that really worth bringing up? to that end i'm officially declaring this a bully-free thread! so feel free to post whatever you like carv without that bully ds taking anymore of your lunch money. you're welcome.
To a degree, sure, all great stories are about a person or team overcoming odds.
Superman's mental state isn't the same, he is actually physically far more powerful or weaker, depending on it. He even spent the entire year of 52 without his powers entirely, just because he believed he didn't have them, then the moment he wanted them, he had them. Thats the degree his mental ability controls his power. We also know that his mental state causes him to draw in far more energy than normal, for example, when he's stressed.
And when he believes he can do the impossible, he can - can even carry the Bleed, for example.
But since you asked nicely, here's just one example that sums up a little of all the points I'm talking about.
Darkseid is using Anti-Life on him, a mental whammy job and because of this, Superman believes he's weaker and that Darkseid is too powerful for him to overcome, and Darkseid is even commenting how much weaker he is and teases him knowing why.
Then Superman chooses hope, and the two have a discussion about the very concept of hope and how it makes Superman so strong.
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lol superman. is. simply. more. powerful. than. orion. like, in every way. evidence? their collective histories and feats. i'm about to remove the no-bullying clause in this thread. but by all means if you think orion has a feat anywhere from any time that superman can't actually top, please display it. it could be fun
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important thing is that I am once more correct, and carver is wrong as usual.
