#1. Stovenutts..............Neo can not "feel" the machines while he is inside the Matrix........have you been watching secret movies that havn't been released to the public or what? There is not one thing in either movie that would suggest what you have postulated and presented as fact............Neo doesn't know where agents are untill he sees them......Neo doesn't know about the architect untill he meets him.......hell, Neo doesn't even know where the oracle is untill Seraph shows him.............exactly what about the machines/matrix is Neo feeling?
#2. Sifer has schooled the rest of it.............no need for me to post further.............well done.
Evil> When Neo is at the meeting he knows the agents are there. He can see the difference in the code. The reason he only sees the Oracle when Seraph shows him is because she is in another part of the Matrix. Remember they go tru does corredors with doors.
yes Kes........he can see the difference in the code.....he cannot "feel the machines".....he doesn't know their plans......he only knows they are there, why? because he can see them (the code), not feel them.
Actually I think it would be a great ending. Remember Neo says "I do not know how this is going to end, but I do no how it is going to begin..."
This would lead us in to the online game that is being rumored.
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I just got done watching my Reloaded dvd..........at the end Neo tells Morpheus that they have 24 hours before Zion is destroyed.....just after Neo breaks the news to Morpheus that the prophecy is false.
Okay.......We are now to assume that the entire Revolutions movie happens in 24 hours..........we're all together on this one right?....I mean Neo just said they only had 24 hours to save Zion.....
okay.......I popped in my Enter the Matrix game........just to read the notez. real quick............under Notez. you will get a remote message from "a friend"........the date you recieve this message is 9-18-99......
We know that Enter the Matrix and Reloaded both happen during the same time frame........If the date in Enter the Matrix is 9-18-99, the date in Reloaded is 9-18-99.............
I then popped my Matrix dvd back in.........guess what the date is when Neo makes the phone call? Yup...you guessed it, 9-18-99 ..........
Let's see here....
- Revolutions happens within 24 hours of Reloaded (meaning the same day)
- The ending date Reloaded takes place on is 9-18-99.......because the date is given to us in the Enter the Matrix game when you recieve the remote message.
- The phone call at the end of the Matrix is made on 9-18-99........
The phone call is made less than 24 hours after the end of Reloaded.........Revolutions takes place within 24 hours of Reloaded.......hmmmmmmm
Evildead> Not exactly true.
Have you considered that the phone-call at the end of M1, may take place JUST before Reloaded begins? As you say yourself, the hacking starts at September 18th 1999. Very well, that means Reloaded starts at that date. Actually EtM starts a little earlier than Reloaded, since we go get the last transmission from the Oriris, and then get the “The machines are digging scene.”
So we’re at the very LEAST on the 19th of September at the end of Reloaded.
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Yes, but does it does prove that it is definately in the same time period. So they will have to show it in some way otherwise it would be a mistake - *gasp* - which is doubtful
Yes but the phone call could take place during Revolutions - not necessarily at the end, which is when I am guessing that Fight is gonna be (or right near it). Because as I have said a few times, I feel that fight is gonna sum everything up
Yeh but I don't think that stoping Smith has anything to do with ending the Matrix. I also don't believe the Matrix will be destroed
Sifer has a point it could be during, thou things look pretty bad during reloaded I don't think Neo has the time to stop for a phone call unless it's to use has bait for Smith. To make him came after Neo Just a thought.
As much as i want to believe this theory, i also heard that it can't happen as in the archatect's (sp) room where it shows neo's past it shows the phone call.
really? didn't catch that in the background. but, it also showed trinity getting shot after fighting an agent, which was in the future (the extremely near future, yes, but the future).
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"Have you considered that the phone-call at the end of M1, may take place JUST before Reloaded begins? As you say yourself, the hacking starts at September 18th 1999. Very well, that means Reloaded starts at that date. Actually EtM starts a little earlier than Reloaded, since we go get the last transmission from the Oriris, and then get the “The machines are digging scene.”
So we’re at the very LEAST on the 19th of September at the end of Reloaded."
Incorrect...........Reloaded can not begin the same day as the end of the first Matrix film.........why? Because "the kid" is in Reloaded. We all know that in Reloaded the kid is up and walking around.........meaning he has already spent weeks having his muscles rebuilt due to atrophy while in the pod + he has hair. Therefore Reloaded can not begin the same day as The Matrix ends.
Yes.......it appears that the phone call is in the architects screen.....but it's not the full shot. It's a close up of Neo holding the phone from the last scene of The Matrix......this is obviously the same scene at the end of the first movie but they don't show the full frame, it's a close up on Neo's face and the phone which means this call shown could technically have taken place anytime.
Besides........the architect predicts the future..........just as he shows Trinity falling before she actually does. Everything is already pre-ordained..........as the oracle said, "you have already made the choice....you're here now to try to understand why you made the choice".....this ofourse means that Neo has no free will.......his actions have already been charted, he is here simply to understand why he took those actions.
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