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Difrycheulyd
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Originally posted by BackFire
Probably will eventually.


If they can't test products, then they may be dangerous to humans.

Testing on animals is probably the most accurate way to distinguish what is or isn't safe for humans.


So animals have the same bodies as humans.... did you ever hear of the birth product that was tested on mice and worked then was put on the market and caused mutilations within babies born?

Also its not the animal testing that annoys me; its the way they treat the animals..... so some animal has to be treated by living in a tiny cage all its life with no interaction with other animals/toys, no walks.... just so you dont feel slightly ill....?


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Im sooo shoked about some of those iteams on the list.
Like some of you know, im a veterinary nurse and atleast 20 of those iteams are suppliers for vets! How harsh is that!! messed

Eukanuba and IAMS are the same company, Hills is also another pet food company and apparently one of the best food suppliers in the world!
Where i work we recommend Hills! sad

I am totally shocked! erm


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Ok...number 1 that was front page news headlines about people being shot im Iraq... Ive never even heard of that story of the cat
i did link it to Norway

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Number 2, about 6 months ago 70,000 sheep on a boat off the shore of new zeland died of heat whilst travelling. The story took up a 10cm square in the middle of the newspaper. Nothing happened about it;...no charges were pressed and the animals bodies were thrown over board
SO? guess we got a fluffy sea then

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Originally posted by blakangel
So animals have the same bodies as humans.... did you ever hear of the birth product that was tested on mice and worked then was put on the market and caused mutilations within babies born?

Also its not the animal testing that annoys me; its the way they treat the animals..... so some animal has to be treated by living in a tiny cage all its life with no interaction with other animals/toys, no walks.... just so you dont feel slightly ill....?



Yes, because it could be much more devistating then simply feeling "slightly ill". If they released products that aren't tested on animals that have similar characteristics as humans, then there's no telling what infection could occure.

As far as I'm concerned, animal testing is completely necessary.


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well guess thats your opinion...*sighs*...

finti...Im glad to see how much you care. I hope to god you never suffer of heat on a boat and die of a consequence; but I guess empathy is not a skill you have.

BF... I believe it is also necessary to some standards, I believe that i want to find a cure for many illnesses out there. But I want more humane standards.
I believe that many experiments are uneccessary. One animals life seems unimportant to these scientists; if they accidently break their necks while putting them ina metal machine or they cant be bothered to use anaesthetic while they operate. It makes me feel sick.


http://www.iamsodead.com/iams.html - more about iams.

http://www.shac.net - more about animal testing, it also shows how it effects people and makes them ill. Its NOT just animals that suffer.


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If you think animal experiments are neccecary consider the following:

-Less than 2% of human illnesses (1.16%) are ever seen in animals. Over 98% never are.
-At least 50 drugs on the market cause cancer in lab animals. They are allowed because it is admitted that animal tests are not relevant.
-When asked if they agreed that animal experimentation can be misleading because of anatomical and physiological differences between animals and humans, 88% of doctors agreed.
-Rats are 37% effective in identifying what causes cancer in humans. Flipping a coin would be more accurate.
-According to animal tests lemon juice is deadly poison, but arsenic, hemlock and botulin are safe.
-40% of patients suffer side effects as a result of prescription treatment.
-Over 200,000 medicines have been released most of which are now withdrawn. According to the World Health Organisation, 240 medicines are ‘essential’.
-Thousands of drugs passed safe in animals have been withdrawn or banned due to their effect on human health.
-Aspirin fails animal tests, as do digitalis (heart drug), cancer treatments, insulin (causes animal birth defects), penicillin and other safe medicines. They would be banned if results from animal experimentation were accurate.
-When the producers of thalidomide were taken to court, they were aquitted after numerous experts agreed animal tests could not be relied on for human medicine.
-At least 450 methods exist with which we can replace animal experiments.
-Morphine puts humans asleep but excites cats.
95% of drugs passed by animal tests are immediately disgarded as useless or dangerous to humans.
-One is six patients in hospital are there because the drug they have taken had been passed safe for us on humans after animal tests.
Worldwide, at least 22 animals die every second in labs. In the UK one animal dies every five seconds.
-The contraceptive pill causes blood clots in humans but it had the opposite effect in dogs.
-We use aspirin for aches and pains. It causes birth defects mice, rabbits and rats.
-Researchers refused to believe that benzene could cause cancer in humans because it failed to in animal tests.
Dogs failed to predict heart problems caused by the cardiovascular drugs encainide and flecainide, which led to an estimated 3,000 deaths in the USA.
-Heart by pass surgery was put on hold for years because it didn’t work on dogs.
-If we had relied on animal tests we would still believe that humans don’t need vitamin C, that smoking doesn’t cause cause cancer and alcohol doesn’t cause liver damage.
-It was denied for decades that asbestos caused disease in humans because it didn’t in animals.
-Polio researchers were mislead for years about how we catch the disease because they had experimented on monkeys.
-As one researcher points out, “the ultimate dilemma with any animal model of human disease is that it can never reflect the human situation with complete accuracy."


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finti...Im glad to see how much you care. I hope to god you never suffer of heat on a boat and die of a consequence; but I guess empathy is not a skill you have
like I said earlier, I dont care for animals.

and empathy aint a skill its a weakness

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Well, like I said Blakangel, animals are a cheap, effective and abundant way of testing. That's all the companies and the scientists care about.


That may not be pleasing to you, but it's true, that's why animals testing is the main testing done when testing products.


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i say lets use Swedes for testings

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Or Canadians...


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what is this picking on Canadians all aboot

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laughing out loud


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I wouldn't protest over either of those creatures being tested on.


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what is this picking on Canadians all aboot


They like to live in their hoouses too, eh.


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indeed

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Their bacon is called Canadian Bacon to us too. Even though it's just a regular piece of fried ham.


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It's fun to pick on canadians because they always take it so seriously. You say 'aboot' in a mocking manner, and they will swear death upon you.


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No offense Canada! Or any Canadians here.


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guess the bacon is made in Canada hence the name Lance stick out tongue so aboot animal testing aint there some endangered species that needs some testing on, and oooooohhhhhhhhh we Norwegians are still hunting whales.

oh you cant hunt whales cause whales are such intelligent creatures

really? if they are so intelligent why do they swim in front of the bloody harpoon all the time then

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same goes for dolphins. People say they are so smart, yet they swim right into the net.


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