Think of Frodo and Galdriel's vial fighting shelob, decendant of ungoliant? Galdriel was a noldor who survive the bloody battle of rebelion. She wasn't no pocket nurse, she was an armed warrior. She was a powerful elf like all her kin. When ungoliant spits 'her spiritual poison' on the ground, being the only place she could put use to it, galadriels ring would protect her. Like i said, think about Frodo's fight then, magnify it by 1000. About turin, his sword was destroyed but if he had it, i bet it would be better then a westernese blade, and would still effect ol witchie, i bet sting wold have worked, or Gandalf's sword too. But if not, Turin would figure it out then he'll find his westernese blade and finish the job. Think about Beren fighting Melkor, He got away, turin would get away from the witch king if need be, only to return and smack him around.
Good points, but
~ Sure Galadriel is mightier than Frodo, but Shelob was only a spider while as Shadowy said Ungoliant is an Ainu. Ungoliante maybe doesn't fight too well, but she devours all light and gathering the darkness around her I doubt that Galadriel could defeat her - even if she has a little of the light of Earendil's Silmaril - Morgoth had all three Silmarilli and still he fled, and he is a VALA, not elf.
About Túrin - I don't think I underestimate his skills in battle, I mean he killed Glaurung and numberless orcs and other "fell beasts" and in the Dagor Dagorath even Melkor fears his sword - but he just cantcantCANT kill Witchy, Glorfindel who had killed a Balrog (a Maia!) also didn't dare to fight him because he knew he would lose, and Túrin is still only a Mortal; though maybe he could indeed wound him after going through the Baths of Fire [cf Lost Tales] and becoming an immortal mortal.
Beren fought Melkor? Ô_o he stole a gem from his crown after his spouse had made him fall asleep, but he didn't fight against him, or did I miss something there ~?
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Glorfindel was nothing compared to Turin. Melkor didn't fear glorfindel, becuase he had nothing to worry about there. As i said, his little prophecy only has relevence in his reality, not divergent realities. Turin was bad news, and his sword was probobly pretty special too. About Galdriel fighting Ungoilant, ok maybe she might not win, but come on, u have to root for her. What ever happened to old ungoliant anyway? i forgot, it's bee na while since i read the story. I guess everyone agrees on Sam+ goldberry though
no, in the lotr trilogy we all know that ARWEN was made into xena, good point shadowy
i remember her fighting, at the kinslaying...she fought there, says so in...ooh unfinished tales..lost tales...i dunno one of them, i remember reading it
i am underestimating a creature melkor feared yes....if ungoliant was to come up to me, honest to god i would not be scared, she is slow, fat, slow witted, all she does is eat *thinks of his aunty...whoah!* all you would have to do is distract her with something edible and slice and dice or hit her with big rolled up pice of newspaper..or turn the tap on when she is in the bath.....
they died yes....but whos to say others would, glorfindel, ecthelion...gandalf, died yeah so what, against balrogs....balrogs are described as having the body of a man, maybe larger...surrounded by sadow and flame, they never make any sound, they are quick witted, agile and powerful. ungoliant is described the same way my dad talks about his mother in law
Thorondor is sticking to the form, the correct answers r on the left. thanks Sauron for haveing faith in galadriels prowess, she's one mean elf maiden. i think tolkien mentions her as being a pretty ripping chick on more then a few occasions.Yeah, btw, i think she could take care of aragorn without much problem. I think she could go hand to hand with gandalf, and u know how quick gandalf took care of legolas,gimli and the king, in about 2 seconds. Gandalf the grey was also tired, and not as powerful as the reborn gandalf the white. , so yeah, he fought the balrog, and was at a draw, but remember him mentioning how weary he was, he was just tired. Don't underestimate the ancient elves, which galadriel is. Fingolfin did a pretty good job fighting the strongest of the Valar, Ungoliant is not on the same level as melkor, even when he was weakened. BTW, anyone else think Tom Bombadil is actually the secret form of Tulkas? I think that's who he is, cause it would fit, and Gandalf mentions that tom is possible powerful enough to stop sauron if he wanted too but that it's not his concern. Who else could be so special and indifferent except tulkas?
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Thorondor would have to attack glaurung from the air, right? And be very careful not to get burned too bad by glaurungs breath, he's a pretty big target. Oh it's too bad glaurungs most armored side is his top side. Maybe if thorondor got lucky enough to catch glaurung in a silly moment, while glaurung might be rolling around on his back like a puppy in the sun, (if, which is unlikely, glaurung enjoyed such things) then maybe thorondor might get a good poke in on his belly before glaurung poured his noctious breath on his sneaky enemy, in which case, it might be a draw. even think, glaurung's blood is noctious in itself. Thorondor would have trouble even just by that.
erm, gandalf the grey was not tired
he was the most wise and troubled of the istari...which, in M:E your looks generally after a while reflect your personality
(melkor sauron, not being able to look fair again)
he was still powerful
although he was more so when he returned as the white, and was able to lighten his load, with saruman out of the picture
galadriel, yeah totally cool elf lady, she was saurons oldest and bitterest enemy (unfinished tales) during the third age, but, i dont think she would have been a total galadriel/superwoman crossover, im sure that if the time called for it, frodo failing the quest, im sure galadriel could hold her own in battle for a while, and i doubt she could take care of aragorn, and disarm gandalf....although, she has foresight, so she could stop them ever reaching lorien if she wanted by having her elves take them down
but of course, she wouldnt
nobody, no man would EVER EVER EVER EVER fight the witchking
they would avoid him at ALL costs, it was prophesised no man could kill him (which probably was not true) but as the power in mordor grew, more and more feared him, he was saurons second in command, 'for all blades perish that pierce the witchking' another excellent point, also the hand which strikes him, arm...whatever takes considerable damage (merry, eowyn)
the only reason eowyn fought him was to protect theoden, out of love, and sorry but im bringing a matrix quote in here, remember what the architect says of love to neo 'the one emotion designed to blind both logic and reason'
hell, i know for a FACT that AD would fight anybody if aurora was in danger
Ancalagon was more powerful for the fact that he could fly, and glaurung could not. Since Eagles fly too, this is no big advantage. Sure, he'd have a hard time catching thorondor, but he has to land sometime, and if it's a fight to the death, let's say flying away is not part of the rules. Ok, thorondor could drop rocks on glaurung, but that's about it. Oh and please, Aragorn vs Galadriel? Aragorn has like no chance. Galadriel was known as the dreaded lady of the woods, even butterfield otis wasn't even too worried about strider.
how, tell me how, and i will admit defeat if the reason is fitting
(thanks thor, see, this is what they mean when they say im clever, i just never do it any more, but now with exa gone, i need to keep the place using their brains till shadowy arives)
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thanks Sauron for haveing faith in galadriels prowess, she's one mean elf maiden. i think tolkien mentions her as being a pretty ripping chick on more then a few occasions.Yeah, btw, i think she could take care of aragorn without much problem. I think she could go hand to hand with gandalf, and u know how quick gandalf took care of legolas,gimli and the king, in about 2 seconds. Gandalf the grey was also tired, and not as powerful as the reborn gandalf the white. , so yeah, he fought the balrog, and was at a draw, but remember him mentioning how weary he was, he was just tired. Don't underestimate the ancient elves, which galadriel is. Fingolfin did a pretty good job fighting the strongest of the Valar, Ungoliant is not on the same level as melkor, even when he was weakened. BTW, anyone else think Tom Bombadil is actually the secret form of Tulkas? I think that's who he is, cause it would fit, and Gandalf mentions that tom is possible powerful enough to stop sauron if he wanted too but that it's not his concern. Who else could be so special and indifferent except tulkas? 
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