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Did you ever here of the freudian instance model, you know id, ego superego, not everything we do comes because we decide it. Its more of a subconcious thing sometimes, and there it can never be unselfish.



I agree that humans are selfish most of the time... because I am selfish too most of the time without realising it.. but you said that "and there it can never be unselfish".... you used never...


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well I belive in science though, with never I mean very very very very very improbable, maybe in 20 billion years once and even then I doubt it.


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okok... let's put it this way, what if a person never realises the importance of oneself... ;I come from a more tradisional place, and I am exposed to the "unselfish deeds" of the people there, because we "help our neighbour as ourselves", so as to say if one never realises the importance of oneself, then that is hard for him/her to be selfish then can't it?


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No than he lives according to what he was brought up to if he wouldn't he would feel bad and therefore it is selfish again


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HOW CAN ONE BE SELFISH IF ONE IS NOT THINKING OF THE BENEFITS ONE CAN GET?

MAN THIS IS GETTING SERIOUS i AM STARTING TO USE CAPPITAL LETTERS.... lol


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wait a second... you are saying that feeling is selfish??


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hmm.. that's new to me..


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got another important key point from our conversation... lol


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No I didn'T say feeling is selfish wanting a certain feeling and doing something to get it is selfish, and I just said there is probably no case where someone does something ot to benefit from it.


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Originally posted by Bardock42
Did you ever here of the freudian instance model, you know id, ego superego, not everything we do comes because we decide it. Its more of a subconcious thing sometimes, and there it can never be unselfish.




I certainly don't believe in freudian instance model..... because I don't believe that if you do something subconsciously, you can still be selfish... because selfish I thought can only be accuired if one is still conscious of the decision....


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well that is just plain wrong, you are most certainly especially selfish subconciously


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I think maybe you are right... I still have much more to learn about... still not familiar with subconscious mind part yet... there is no point for me to talk about something I am not familiar about...


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Oh I do it too, I just state my opinion


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