But thanos has never dispatched thor as easily as mangog has. also, thanos took everything that odin had to offer and survived yes. which is a feat in itself. but mangog not only did that but was beating up asgard (thor and odin included). until he was cut off from his power supply.
oh by the way...... hulk didn't pound juggernuat. so deal with it. hes not stronger than mangog. he's not stronger than the destroyer. he is even debated with about juggernaut. whom he's never proven superior to. deal with it. i'll call hulk being "the strongest one there is" bad writing because it's clear that he is not.
also, the destroyers strength is said to be limitless..... he doesn't even have to get angry. he beat the hulk. handily at that. apocalypse is said to have "limitless" strength and he easily subdued hulk. he doesn't have to get angry either to get stronger. he just simply uses the strength needed. so who's really stronger???
The strongest is whoever's strength is limitless, Hulk, Apocalpse, Destroyer and whoever else has limitless strength. It's assumed Thanos has limitless strength, so he's up there. F*ck Mangog, Thanos is second to noone.
do you even know who mangog is?? he has done things physically that nobody else has proven capable of doing. EVEN THANOS. hulk isn't up there..... he can't even overpower juggernaut. even apocalypse said he has long wondered who was more powerful, himself or juggernaut so i'm skeptical at best, to put him near the top. mangog is stronger than hulk/juggernuat and possibly apocalypse. the destroyer is another toss up. he roughly rivals mangog at best. i'd still be leaning towards mangog though. the only one i can think of that could have at one time possibly been stronger than mangog is the original champion of the universe. when first written he was at galactus level power and used nothing but physical force and fighting technique. he shattered an entire planet with a punch. but since he has first appeared he has been depowered significantly.
Hahahaha....yea but Thanos and Drax have both smashed the Champion of the Universe....and who said the destroyer beat up the Hulk?....r u talking about when Maestro was in control of the destroyer and attack Hulk with it...they fought to a draw...then the Hulk took over part of the Destroyer's consciousness too and shut his visor as he unleashed his disentigrator beam....which really ****ed his insides up i guess....then Maestro's body was crushed by an avalanche of bolders....when has the Hulk not been strong enough to do something?...never...marvel directory is not an accurate website, only about 50% of the time...its not edited by marvel, its made by some person....Im talking about comic books...Jugs has been shown that he is weaker than the Hulk and and Onslaught...War kicked his ass and would have killed him if absorbing man hadnt jumped in, then he almost got killed too...i think Apoc punked Jugs once too? i never read it but only heard about it....maybe one of u has read it...and who said Thanos never beat up Thor like Mangog has?...Thanos knocked out Thor with two punches and if the Thing hadnt been there he would have knocked him out sooner...Thanos has taken on Tyrant, he would devestate mangog...here's another nice fact...in Hulk's first appearance he was grey and only superhuman 25...however, he is always getting stronger and his base strength increases with the more radiation he absorbs....just like the Thing....thats why Maestro's base strength was over twice that of professor's....Jugs strength is always the same...well actually he has gotten weaker but oh well....and yes this thread is about who is the strongest....I go with Hulk, as u already know
first of all i hadn't said that thanos couldn't take thor. but he didn't do it as easily as mangog did. mangog also used all of asgard as his appetizer. he has even taken what odin has EASIER than what thanos ever dreamed of doing. like i said.... mangog was only defeated by odin because he was separated from his power source. something odin cannot do to thanos. he straight up physically beat odin. the destroyer outright wrecked the hulk in their confrontation. anybody who says otherwise has obviously not read the issue. NO apocalypse has never "punked" juggernaut as you have said. apocalypse said "juggernaut seemed a viable test of celestial might" and that he had long wondered who's power was greater his own or juggernaut's. when has juggernaut NOT proved himself against hulk??? again, you people do not listen to reason. you say that i'm a fanboy when you refuse to except facts also. hulk in any incarnation/form has yet to prove stronger than juggernaut. save war, whom was exponentially boosted in power. no if's, and's or buts about it.
onslaught again, you people cling to him as your "savior" when in reality it was a telepathic assault that did juggernaut in. something he cannot do to hulk, which is why he didn't do it to hulk.
and i doubt war hulk would have killed juggernaut. do you have proof that it would have killed him??? because i think it's been seen that physical force cannot stop/kill juggernaut time and time again. please, feel free to prove me wrong if you think you can.
also, thanos didn't engage the champion when they "fought", he simply stole the infinity gem that was in his possession. it wasn't a fight. also, i said champion when he first appeared. when did drax and him fight? feel free to answer these questions whenver you feel you have the information at hand.
hulk is not stronger than the destroyer he has never proved otherwise. hulk is not stronger than apocalypse and he has never proven otherwise. hulk is not stronger than juggernaut and has never proven otherwise (except in war hulk form which was *tired of repeating myself* EXPONENTIALLY boosted in power and strength). even then the fight wasn't that lopsided. feel free to "prove" your side by saying hulk is stronger. so he lifted 150 billion ton's. but there is no reason to think that apocalypse the destroyer or juggernaut couldn't do the same, seeing how they are -atleast- hulks equal in strength. which i think mangog is stronger yet still. he is powered by the hate of a thousand worlds... a billion billion beings. on top of that he was powerful before he recieved this additional power.
not to mention that during the infinity guantlet thor didn't do to bad against thanos whom had the gems at his side and was way above optimal levels of power. he he he. whatever dude.
"....when has the Hulk not been strong enough to do something?...never"
WRONG. he has never proven strong enough to overpower juggernaut without outside assistance. same goes for apocalypse, and same goes for the destroyer. please stop saying hulk is the strongest. again, it is clear that he is not. oh, do you remember when hulk was knocked out by a regular ordinary python??? it was even the savage hulk that it happened to.
man....u r soo way off it isnt even funny....just because u havent seen the issue doesnt mean it didnt happen....Drax has knocked out the Champion with one punch...i will find the issue but it did happen....champion was chasing surfer all issue then surfer lead him to drax and Champion started running his mouth and talking shit to drax.....drax just hit him once and Champion went into the ground like a nail and was knocked out...i said Thanos knocked out Thor with 2 punches...and Thor was fighting him with the Thing!!!....the first punch wasnt even directed at Thor!!!...and u said Mangog did it easier....didnt back it up with an issue number or describe the battle, which i have read, and yes Mangog did kick his ass but Thanos just swung his arm and Thor was unconscious...Tyrant proved he wasnt even stronger than Thanos....Tyrant who easily dispatched the surfer, morg, terrax, and gladiator at the same time? he blasted Thanos with enough energy to incinerate a planet and all it did was burn off his shirt....u keep on talking about War....war is just a suped up version of professor, like i have told u countless times....savage/Mindless/Guilt Hulk are all far stronger than the professor incarnation and that includes War...at the end of the issue War just tears off his costume and leaps away?...so if archangel tears off his costume and flies away isnt he still archangel? hmmm...so if War was such a big enhancement what happened?....did he just have to tear off his costume and drop his sword to lose this enhancement...when did destroyer beat the Hulk? r u talking about Hulk issue #461?...i have it right in front of me and the Hulk wins man....u should stop telling lies on here and not backing anything up so that people who havent read the comics believe u
when champion first appeared he was at galactus level of power. with each new appearance he got weaker and weaker and weaker, until he finally met up with people that could beat him. like surfer, and drax for that matter. but originally he would have wrecked them both. as for mangog and thor's battle it was in vol. 2 #21. check it out. oh since nobody has read the destroyer/hulk fights but you why don't you fill in everybody on what happens.
have you read hulk 456/457????????? just curious. apocalypse takes hulk and puts him in a machine that dampens his healing factor. the he implants the celestial tech into his body. the celestial tech boosts his strength, but it also allows him to harness the energy from the heroe's reborn universe AND the main stream marvel universe. he had celestial tech (possibly the most advanced technology in the universe) and was the focal point of 2 universes worth of energy. he over powered juggernaut (not by much) something that savage hulk couldn't do. so how do you come to your conclusion that he wasn't more powerful?? hulk supported 150 billion tons....... war hulk threw one of the great pyramids with the greatest of ease...... he could have lifted the mountain too. please do more research. i dont' even think you have these issues you speak of. i think you recite second or third hand information.
yes but like i said...in his first appearance he was only class 25....he would have gotten smashed by present Day Rhino...however, he is constantly getting stronger
anybody can dig up a quote. i was wondering if you read the issue. because you don't seem to think that hulk was boosted in power and strength. when in reality he was. his armaments allowed him to harness 2 universes worth of energy. even i wouldn't say that juggernaut is more powerful than that. yes it is a win for hulk, but it's not a normal level of power. it's hulks ONLY win against juggernaut. even you shouldn't say that the other hulks are that powerful.... it's just not right.
but the other Hulks r more powerful...they possess limitless strength..its like saying 2 universes of energy is more than infinite....its just not smart man....2 universes? isnt that kinda vague?...does that mean 2 Hulks?....or does that mean War has as much energy as our entire universe times 2? i think u asumed it did....i simply thought it meant he was twice as strong as proffessor...which would make him almost as strong as maestro....and still far weaker than mindelss hulk or a very angry savage Hulk....twice the power of the entire universe?...that is foolish to assume, the celestials are powerful but they r not that powerful...they r part of the universe...so would that mean that War was more powerful than the celestials? or that a very powerful and intelligent Apoc was able to wield Celestial technology better than they themselves can?...i dont think so...Apoc is powerful but not on a celestials level....he probably just a pawn doing their will and doesnt even know it...2 universes?...kinda vague
banner was in one universe and hulk was in the other, so since they are the same person he was the focal point of 2 universes worth of energy. apocalypse picked up on this which was the point of the mini series. the celestial tech allowed hulk to better harness that energy. he was way more powerful than the "professor". i think you are assuming things because you have not read the entire series but bits and pieces. and who says the celestials are not that powerful?? you?? ha ha ha. they are above galactus, and melted the indestructable destroyer to slag. that is a 2000 ft tall destroyer at that. yet they arnt that powerful?? but this isn't about the celestials power, this is about the celestial tech. said to be the most advanced anywhere in the universe that has to say something my friend. i think it's silly also to have hulk as the focal point for 2 universes worth of energy, but it happened and you cant dispute facts. so we are just at an impass. i say war, you say savage.
let me say one last thing, i don't think you are understanding what i'm trying to say. let's take savage hulk, at base level starts at let's say 100 tons. he has to get mad to reach 150 tons. then even more mad to reach 200 tons..... then 300 and so on. yes his strength is "limitless". but war hulk didn't have to get angry to do that. 300 tons he needed to lift, he just summoned the energy. 50,000,000 tons needed lifting, he just summoned the energy. he had 2 universe worth of energy, how on earth do you get that he isn't the most powerful form of hulk???
Watchers Shaper of Worlds Binary
Thor Dragon Man Juggernaut
Galactus Ego Abomination
Beta Ray Thor Nimrod II Hulk
Surtur Odin Orka (in water)
Hercules Maelstrom Terminus (enhanced by armor)
Stranger Kurse Absorbing Man
Gladiator Forgotten One Iron Man I (enhanced by armor and sufficiently powerful energy sorce)
Mephisto Silver Surfer War Machine (enhanced by armor and sufficiently powerful energy sorce)
Magus Apocalypse Atlas
Ymir Magneto Utgard-Loki
Thanos Joseph Leir
all these fellas are class 100 so take your pick.
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the celestials are not the most powerful beings in the universe...they r very powerul...however the collective might of the celestials is equal to the collective might of the watchers....and they both possess vast technology..but Galactus' power is cyclical...sometimes he is full of energy and sometimes he is not...however his intelligence is constant and he is more intelligent than either the watchers or celestials in my opinion and he has the Ultimate Nullifier...also, eventually Galactus will consume both the watchers and the celestials as the FF have travelled to the future of another dimension and witnessed it...so the celestials r not all powerful..regardless..Apoc is not a celestial, he is just a child who found their left over technology...so i dont think he is able to make the Hulk as powerful as two entire uinverses because that would entail two universes that contain celestials also...so how could he create something more powerful than celstials by using their own technoligy?....i understand what u r saying...but i dont think the Hulk starts at 100 tons...u do...i think that any version of the Modern hulk could also pick up the pyramids....thats why i say he is the strongest...but regardless War or not....he still kicked Jug's ass...thus Hulk is the winner
i think you need to do more research. the celestials are above galactus in power. stop refering to alternate realities. they have no bearing on main stream marvel. the watchers power is less than that of galactus, and galactus is less than that of celestials. they constitute the next level of power. they are not the most powerful beings however. i do agree with that. but they are more powerful than the watchers or galactus. when the universe was up against thanos in the end, you don't see the entire race of watchers going up against him do you?? plus hulk didn't just lift the pyramid, the threw it (a good ways at that). without so much as breaking a sweat. we all have our own opinions, but i still stick by what i said. you said "hulk kicked jugs ass... thus hulk is the winner, but vice versa has also happened. the only difference is that juggeraut has done it at a normal level of power without any power ups, and hulk has not. so who's really the winner my friend? so whatever works... to each his own. i guess we will have to come to an impass at this yet again.
also it's not the tech itself that made him so powerful. it just allowed him to harness the energy. war hulk was made to battle celestials but that doesn't mean that he would have one. the destroyer to was made to battle celestials, but it failed miserably. but it does't change the fact that war hulk seemed emmensly powerful. he might not have fought as ferociously as some of the other hulk forms, but he had every bit as much potential of reaching incalculable amounts of strength, if not more so.
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