Wow, that is terrible. how long have you had that kind of terror hysteria has it been magnified just recently? I know europe has been on terror alert since 9/11. I just meant to the level you are saying that is going onnow.
Yeah i diddnt mean to say that all of england was against america and the war. It was just to hear how some pople from England were speaking about America, when they had no knowledge whatso ever of what they were tlaking about.
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I cannot agree that the world is the same place it was before 9/11 or before Bush sent the American/British war-machine into Iraq looking for terrorists.
Yes, there was terrorist groups like Black September and Bader Mienhoff and ETA and the PLO long before 9/11 but they were never as large, worldwide, well-organised or well financed as Al-Quaeda are today.
I blame Bush and Blair for throwing fuel onto THAT particular fire by their heavy-handed and clumsy methods to try to show their people that they were doing something - ANYTHING - to pay them back for 9/11.
The policy of taking this war to the world has come back and hit them hard and instead of reducing the international hatred towards The West it has encouraged the growth of terrorism in general and the support for Al-Quaeda in particular.
Now every Muslim is seen as a potential terrorist simply because we are now so divided apart from the Muslim world that we haven't a clue who are terrorists and who are not.
Yes, the media is much more efficient at reporting terrorist atrocities than it used to be but even if this is true this does not make international terrorism any more rife.....It just is !
NOW...The Answer:
I don't know if there is one easy answer to this increased terrorism but I do know a few things, ( some that have already been mentioned earlier ), that might help.......
1). America should be less imperialistic and they should show willing to help the cause of international peace...NOT WAR !
2). The Muslim religion should take a stand and prove to the world that all the atrocities commited under Jihad and Intefada and the name of Allah ARE NOT supported by the main Muslim religion. If all Muslim terrorists were excommunicated by their church then the rest of the world would look much more kindly towards this religion.
3). The people who are supporting and giving succour to the terrorists should be encouraged to give them up by the rest of the peace-lovers in their own countries.
4). There should be a powerfuland multi religious/ethnic think-tank convened to discover all of the ways that can be found to beat international terrorism AND the reasons behind it so that we can ALL start to do things in a different way in order to create the right conditions for total world peace. ( Maybe convened under the auspices of the United Nations ).
Of course there will always be small factions who feel that the only way forward is by terrorist means and these small groups are unlikely to change their ways of doing NO MATTER what we do. As long as terrorism is kept to a minimum I think that THAT is all we can do.
Right..I have said enough...now I will shut up and let someone else speak !
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Im not sure.
There was sept 11, and after that we kinda got a bit wary
then the war in Iraq came along, we thought that being allied with america would make them target us.
Australia was attacked part of the commonwealth, us next?
Spain was attacked, two of the three main countries in the war in Iraq attacked.
Then it was in the papers that the police had stopped a group of people who had been creating a large bomb in an empty garage in the city, they said the bomb could have killed alot of people.
So now its always in the paper somewhere that sombody has been arrested and that they are linked to al queada
then we kicked Abu Hamza out of our country
then just recently a reporter proved how easy it is to do an act of terror, she purchased all the ingredients needed to make a bomb inside an airport and all of which are allowed in your hand luggage
yea we got rid of Abu Hamza, but theres still that guy who claims that killing British women and children is just, and that muslim children should become suicide bombers...
theres hundreds of them, preaching anti-west hate in our own country and we're too PC minded to do nething about it, apart from pay them to do it
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ok, but if i stood up and shouted hate about the muslim religion, saying we should kill them all etc (hypothetical)
id be arrested straight away, Freedom of speech works only one way...just like racism sposedly (because we all know a coloured person cant be racist lol...¬¬)
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first off, to handle the terrorist is information.
Why do people chose to become terrorists, study the subject and gain knowledge about the why`s.
The best way to fight terrorism is information
Yeah Finti...I agree that information is the strongest power here, but where to we get this information ?
There is such a gulf between the terrorists and the ordinary people of this world that information about them and what they are doing does NOT disseminate through to the free world.
The only way to try to get info' on the terrorist cells and what they are planning is to have spies on the inside. As all of these people know everybody else in each cell and as the cells don't often have contact with each-other to infliltrate a mole is almost impossible and is a very dangerous job to do.
Because most of these terrorists are held together by religion there is very seldom a crack in the bond that holds them together. Because of this informants from within are very very rare.
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I think the only way we can reduce terrorism is by stop giving them a reason to terrorize, if we act with more caution, more thought, and try not to piss as many people off, less will hate us to the extent that tey do and the problem may just solve itself.
I seriously disagree they were far better fuinanced before Sept. 11 ... there operations were so well funded that they cold operate covertly and not worry about anyone watching... or caring.... Its just that there attack was to get our attention so that there operations can truly comence... they built an infrastructure in secret so they could prepare for this mment and we are barely realizing now how exsstensive thier planning was... they never expected the allies to strike so hard.. they are use to us getting stuck in the peace process crap and now they are feeling the burn from the pressure we are exerting... there hasn't been an attack in any major allied country yet... except Spain... but even then no one expected someone to attack that particular country... Russia was not allied with us and that only proves that they were going to attack any and every major power.
1) what imperialism... we are striping countries of thier freedom or resources... our army was putting to rest a madman that has been defying the world for decades... it was UN mandate that we were to act after his final sanction expired and he refused to comply... it was the UN that did not go threw with what it said. Our intolerance for the region caused Pakastan and Saudi Arabia to help us ot start rotting out the terrorists in thier countries.
2) how many times do the Muslims have to denounce the attacks? they do it everytime there is one... the enemy doesn't care the Muslim extremist look is just a cover story they don't care about thier religion they just want power.
3) Pakastan and Saudi Arabia are somewhat complying but in actauality most of the enemy relies are coming from central Europe...
4) Aggression in the enemies eyes can only be matched by aggression they proved that with the Russian hostages... they knew the Russian's weren't going to negotiate and they purposely killed those people.
Yes Information is very important but the enemy has def ears... they are basically brainwashed into thier belief... we must knock out the media outputs that feed them thier lies and educate the Eastern community truly on the West.
The only thing that we have that can rout them out is our spies and our special forces. The cells cna be infiltrated we proved it before.
The first thing we must do is to discredit thier claims htat they fight for the Muslim belief.... the upper enchelon of thier organization are using them as puppets and its all for power.
We have to see what is behind the hatred for the West in general and the Americans in particular !
( If we accept that jealousy and envy for the freedom and riches of the West is at the VERY forefront of their ideology then we can move on to the rest of the reasons ).
The poorer peoples of the middle East, ( the majority ), are all immersed in their religion and it is this religion that draws them together...nothing else.
Yes the top terrorists want power in their own countries and if they do not own oil then the only way to get power is through strife or through growing and selling Opium products.
The growing hatred of anything American is fuel to this fire and these extremists and criminals, ( for that is what they would be if they did not have a cause to fight for ), know that the only way that they are going to get support for their private agendas is to make sure that the sheep are made to invoke their religion at every opportunity.
If the misuse of the Muslim religion was stopped by the moderate clerics then these terrorists would just have to go back to being drug warlords and crooks and bandits.
It is the power of the Muslim church which gives these animals the credibility that they need to wind up the rest of the breast-beating fanatics.
THIS...is the heart and soul of terrorism in the Middle East !
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