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Well, Mr. Zero like I said. People can call me names all they want. I don't get offended easily and to a certain extend don't care much for what people think of me. That's my persona outside in the world. Here I do gotta follow a code of conduct.
Words or phrases that express, either deliberately or unknowingly, hatred or contempt towards a group of people, based on areas such as their ethnic, cultural, religious or sexual identity, or with reference to their physical or mental health, represent the personal thoughts of the individual who uses them; Speech is the expression of personal thoughts.
Didn't quite get my post now did you? What I asked you is was is acceptable for Chris Rock to do that on stage in joke form in front of a black audience who all seemed to love the joke. If not, then why is it not acceptable?
If you let your 'other' speak for this one, I would have been strangely aroused.
Wow! It's like he read my freakin' mind!
So, what you are saying is that we should ban all jokes about human beings because almost all of them are underlining differences between us. No more blond jokes, no more "your mother is so fat" jokes (heh, my grammar made that joke not worth telling), no more anything that could poke fun at humans?
Same.
An excellent point.
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Then the creators/writers of The Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy and other such shows shouldn't complain if they get labled racist because all of those shows make jokes about racial stereotypes quite often. Same with Chris Rock and Dave Chapel, they both make jokes based on race (both white AND black) so I guess it's fair to label them racist too. No, sorry, it's illogical bullshit.
Racism is racism, jokes are jokes, there are differences between someone making a good hearted joke about a silly jewish stereotype that is harmless and skinheads passing out hate flyers, they are only related in the fact that they both have to do with race. However, a racial joke isn't meant to actually put down another race (usually), it's meant in good fun and humor.
Someone calling anyone who makes a good humored joke about a race a racist is just silly, and false, and bullshit, and stupid, and idiotic and shameful and funny to the point of being pathetic. If that person who told the joke goes to a KKK rally after telling the joke, then call them racist. If we can't laugh at our own differences, then what can we laugh at?
BF> Sure, we should laugh at our differences. Heck, what makes us different from one another is what makes us individuals.
BUT… As I wrote before there is also a difference, as you wrote, between something which is plain funny, which the “target” would even laugh at… and jokes that ARE racist and/or discriminating.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
Nonononono, let's set something straight here. It isn't a joke if it isn't funny. An offensive racial slur or comment isn't a joke, it's blatant racism. A joke is something funny to laugh at. Getting offended at a joke is stupid.
Omega: Obviously, but it's silly to say anyone who says any joke, no matter how harmless or playful, about a race should be considered racist and shouldn't complain about that label.
BF> Oh, I agree completely.
I think I already said, that most normal sensible people will also know the difference.
What bugs me is, that racists/sexists yell bloody-murder-freedom-of-speech, and like cowards hide behind the laws of democracy to vomit their crap. If they won’t even admit that they are racists – then they’re freaking COWARDS!
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
There are jokes I feel are blatantly racist, like the one liners that were posted in the other thread. Jokes that suggest people are better off dead or should be hated or are somewhat less of people is being racist in my opinion. But if racism is anything in which race is a factor than we are all racist in some way, whether it be deliberate or on a subconscious level. Nobody is completely racially unbiased. I think that just being racially aware is different that racism. Knowing the differences between two ethnic groups is not being racist, but considering one group to be less than another because of their differences is.
all of those shows has made jokes specifically about a certain race or religion or ethnicity, especially South Park. They're satire, but they still HAVE targeted specific groups of people at one point or another.
My point being they have targeted EVERYONE at some point or another, so i dont see parker/stone as racist, I see them as filled with contempt for the world as a whole: A philosophy I can get behind!
The thing about racist humor is that is makes racism acceptable. I don't feel able to make the distinction between 2 liberals laughing archly at a jew joke and two nazis laughing at the same gag. So i err on the side of caution.
I'm not saying everyone who makes or laughs at racist humor IS a racist, i'm just saying they aren't part of the solution. If they are happy with that - so am I: but I wont be in the same room as them.
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