Black cat, you have bad information. Batman begins isnt the only comic book adaptation that i like. I loved the first two superman movies, i liked the x men movies, daredevil movie, dick tracy, the crow, the punisher, blade movies, the mask, spawn, hellboy, etc. So , batman begins isnt the only comic book movie that i like, but is the movie that i liked more.
has anyone elses attention switched from the Wallcrawler to the Dark Night?
oh definitely. what appeals to me about batman, in particular batman begins is the realism. the fact that somebody could actually do that. bruce wayne is more appealing as he has gone to hell and back to gain the ability to fight crime, peter parker has done nothing, just get bitten by a spider, and suddenly he thinks he can fight crime.
for me, batman will always be the better superhero. i mean, a guy who wears tight spandex has gotta have a few screws lose!
Yes, Batman Begins was the best Batman movie so far, and I would rate it as one of the top ten best comic book movies of all time, but I can not say it is the absolute best ever. For me, X-Men II is number 1. However, it is a great movie and every comic book fan in the world should see it. BTW, I want Johnny Depp or Crispin Glover to be the new Joker.
Originally posted by LousyBoy
Nope. Why would the makers go along with that storyline??? Everyone here has heard about it, so i doubt the makers are just gonna be like "Oh.. well, lets make these movies anyway even thought everyone knows what happens."
That's why I think nobody will ever make a movie based around Batman's origin. You see, everyone's heard of it, so ... oh ... wait ...
Because my head is filled with many different things, after seeing this film in IMAX, in no particular order, or any rhyme or reason, I will spit out random thoughts about this movie.
-Okay, some people were trying to justify Batman leaving Ras to Die, because he's immortal, and also skilled. I think the only reason they would try to defend the film in that right because it would make the film imperfect, and flat out wrong in it's represenation of the character.
It is inevitable.
The "mistakes" of 1989's Batman that people point out, are still present in Brgins. Yes the killling Ras scene.
But that's not all. How about the Batmobile Chase. He used street mines on the COP CARS! Normally I see him do this to criminals, at most spikes to flatten cop tires, but mines??? Did you not SEE the Cop cars flip over and CRASH, into multiple things? These were fatal crashes, ESPECIALLY since so many of you say this Batman movie was done in "realistic" Fashion. He's still reckless, and unBatman like, whenever the movie SAW FIT. Just like Batman '89.
-Anyone who said Lucious does'nt know Bat's I.D. is flatout wrong. He does. And NOT in the manner of that he has an idea of who Batman could be. He LITERALLY knows. All he had to do is watch the news and SEE his Batmobile setting destruction to the streets.
-The Fighting. There was no Fighting. Batman Can't Fight. More on this later.
-Scarecrow was not bad.
-Im leaning towards, Ras Killed the Wayne's. Why? Because he said they were allready in the process of destroying Gotham way back when. And Joe Chill WAS the result of his plan. That's more DIRECT thant it is indirect. What's so BAD about that? Nothing, except..it's just like Batman of 1989, where Joker is given the credi, now Ras is. And everyone knocks that old movie, when this movie does the same thing.[rolleyes] What's ALSO bad about it is that it ADD'S to the long list of things Ras is given credit for directly or indirectly, creating Batman.
-Raz? They are prenouncing the name RAZ throughout the ENTIRE movie. Now I thought in Batman Beyond, No IM SURE, that Terry Pronounced it RAZ, and Batman corrected him, because it's an Arabic name, it's pronounced "Ray-sh". And this comes WAAAY after many years of Batman TAS establishing the correct way to pronounce the name as "Ray-ShMy ears hurt everytim they said RAZ in this movie. YUCK!!
-What DID I like about the movie? Well it was'nt the Music. Hmm What's this. No MAIN THEME? Guess you can't top Danny Elfman...BUT AT LEAST TRY! Whats crazy is I LIKE Hans Zimmer from his previous work. He CAN do Batman, he just never made a title theme.
-Music editing SUCKED. There were MANY scenes that did not need ANY background music. Like when we first get to see the Wayne Ent. Board room. There is crap music stringing along behind it.The music carries on to the next scene, and it's not a good thing. It's crazy when we live in a time where I can recall the Spiderman movie theme(s) before I can for Batman Begins. Oh I know why...Cuz Elfman did that one.
-Regular Editing SUCKED. This is PART of the reason why the fight scenes suck. Not only that, the film seemed rushed. Some lines were spoken a mile a minute and then, we cut to some crap going on in the narrows, than to Bruce making the suit then...Oh please give it a rest. How about complete a scene so we can take it in. The movie felt like a LONG Trailer.
-NO I got it. Heres what I liked most about the movie. That the girl, was not a REAL Love interest. And there was no love scene. This was actually refreshing, because it's usually so unwanted. BUT, she still figured his I.D., and that always sucks.
-Yes I was one of those people who knew "immediatly" That Neeson was Ras. It's called being a die hard Batfan, so suck an egg!! All you have to do is know what he looks like...it's not rocket Science, plus Ken resembled more of an UBU. At the end you can see that Ras had a few UBU's with him. With Bald heads and ALL.
-Mr. Zsasz's scars looked sooo phoney.
-Gotham city looked good, but why in hell was ARKHAM ASYLUM, built WITHIN a crowded RESIDENTIAL AREA????
This has never been the case in ANY recreatioon of Batman. This was just DUMB AS HELL!! Yes they're gonna escape,...and YES they're gonna kill you...your right next door!! 🙄 Arkham is supposed to be closer to Wayne Manor, seperate from the city, in more of that open area. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. DUUUUHHH! See this is what I mean when I say "David GOyer Sucks".
-Okay, the fighting. I think one of the problems stem from the fact that, they did not have the budget to, or TIME, to train the actors, Matrix style, some choreography of some cool fighting. It just was'nt there. There was nothing for me to feast my eyes on. Every punched was not "blurred" like some mention, it was NOT WITHIN THE FRAME OF THE DAMN MOVIE! All the action in the movie was deliberatly shot outside the focus of the film, and also cut out. Just when you thought you'd get to see Batman do something cool, they cut to what Jim Gordons doing outside. They Cut to Rachel picking her nose, they cut GCPD, taking a squat..ANYTHING except Batman kicking ass. And this is a fact...dont beleive me..go see it again. It was a copout, a sham, and leaves many wondering if Nolan is truly the man for this job. Just as Batman has to be good at more than one thing, Nolan has to good at more than just psycho thrillers if wants to make a Batman movie. Hands now Burton squashed Nolan in the Action Department.
-The pace of the movie needed to slow down. From the start it was so rushed.
-They ending with the Water Vapor, was tricky for people to get. I got it because I read the script, but watching it was utter clutter. And the urgency of the situation was lost, only thing that you knew for sure is, "Batman's GOTTA stop that train....but why?...oh yeah cuz of the water vapor..." 🙄 And what about the vaccine, could they really get it out in time to save the Narrows people. Rachel hardly lasted 30 minutes. Too many questions not enough good story telling.
-Best Part, Bruce pulling Ras up with one arm. I probably liked it because it was the only REAL action in the movie.
-Sometimes his voice was good, others his Batman voice was just plain goofy.
-Overall production was lousy.
-Wait best part...When he was sitting atop the perch looking at the City as Batman. That was the coolest scene proably because he was'nt moving, and looking dumb, but moreso because it looked most like The Batman I've come to know, eventhough it only lasted about 5 seconds.
-This movie was no better than Daredevil, which is sad. Well naturally Batman is cooler than Daredevil, so it's not that bad, but that's not saying much.
-6.5 out of 10 Stars.
Are you insane?
Originally posted by FLIPMODE
Because my head is filled with many different things, after seeing this film in IMAX, in no particular order, or any rhyme or reason, I will spit out random thoughts about this movie.-Okay, some people were trying to justify Batman leaving Ras to Die, because he's immortal, and also skilled. I think the only reason they would try to defend the film in that right because it would make the film imperfect, and flat out wrong in it's represenation of the character.
It is inevitable.The "mistakes" of 1989's Batman that people point out, are still present in Brgins. Yes the killling Ras scene.
But that's not all. How about the Batmobile Chase. He used street mines on the COP CARS! Normally I see him do this to criminals, at most spikes to flatten cop tires, but mines??? Did you not SEE the Cop cars flip over and CRASH, into multiple things? These were fatal crashes, ESPECIALLY since so many of you say this Batman movie was done in "realistic" Fashion. He's still reckless, and unBatman like, whenever the movie SAW FIT. Just like Batman '89.-Anyone who said Lucious does'nt know Bat's I.D. is flatout wrong. He does. And NOT in the manner of that he has an idea of who Batman could be. He LITERALLY knows. All he had to do is watch the news and SEE his Batmobile setting destruction to the streets.
-The Fighting. There was no Fighting. Batman Can't Fight. More on this later.
-Scarecrow was not bad.
-Im leaning towards, Ras Killed the Wayne's. Why? Because he said they were allready in the process of destroying Gotham way back when. And Joe Chill WAS the result of his plan. That's more DIRECT thant it is indirect. What's so BAD about that? Nothing, except..it's just like Batman of 1989, where Joker is given the credi, now Ras is. And everyone knocks that old movie, when this movie does the same thing.[rolleyes] What's ALSO bad about it is that it ADD'S to the long list of things Ras is given credit for directly or indirectly, creating Batman.
-Raz? They are prenouncing the name RAZ throughout the ENTIRE movie. Now I thought in Batman Beyond, No IM SURE, that Terry Pronounced it RAZ, and Batman corrected him, because it's an Arabic name, it's pronounced "Ray-sh". And this comes WAAAY after many years of Batman TAS establishing the correct way to pronounce the name as "Ray-ShMy ears hurt everytim they said RAZ in this movie. YUCK!!
-What DID I like about the movie? Well it was'nt the Music. Hmm What's this. No MAIN THEME? Guess you can't top Danny Elfman...BUT AT LEAST TRY! Whats crazy is I LIKE Hans Zimmer from his previous work. He CAN do Batman, he just never made a title theme.
-Music editing SUCKED. There were MANY scenes that did not need ANY background music. Like when we first get to see the Wayne Ent. Board room. There is crap music stringing along behind it.The music carries on to the next scene, and it's not a good thing. It's crazy when we live in a time where I can recall the Spiderman movie theme(s) before I can for Batman Begins. Oh I know why...Cuz Elfman did that one.
-Regular Editing SUCKED. This is PART of the reason why the fight scenes suck. Not only that, the film seemed rushed. Some lines were spoken a mile a minute and then, we cut to some crap going on in the narrows, than to Bruce making the suit then...Oh please give it a rest. How about complete a scene so we can take it in. The movie felt like a LONG Trailer.
-NO I got it. Heres what I liked most about the movie. That the girl, was not a REAL Love interest. And there was no love scene. This was actually refreshing, because it's usually so unwanted. BUT, she still figured his I.D., and that always sucks.
-Yes I was one of those people who knew "immediatly" That Neeson was Ras. It's called being a die hard Batfan, so suck an egg!! All you have to do is know what he looks like...it's not rocket Science, plus Ken resembled more of an UBU. At the end you can see that Ras had a few UBU's with him. With Bald heads and ALL.
-Mr. Zsasz's scars looked sooo phoney.
-Gotham city looked good, but why in hell was ARKHAM ASYLUM, built WITHIN a crowded RESIDENTIAL AREA????
This has never been the case in ANY recreatioon of Batman. This was just DUMB AS HELL!! Yes they're gonna escape,...and YES they're gonna kill you...your right next door!! 🙄 Arkham is supposed to be closer to Wayne Manor, seperate from the city, in more of that open area. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. DUUUUHHH! See this is what I mean when I say "David GOyer Sucks".-Okay, the fighting. I think one of the problems stem from the fact that, they did not have the budget to, or TIME, to train the actors, Matrix style, some choreography of some cool fighting. It just was'nt there. There was nothing for me to feast my eyes on. Every punched was not "blurred" like some mention, it was NOT WITHIN THE FRAME OF THE DAMN MOVIE! All the action in the movie was deliberatly shot outside the focus of the film, and also cut out. Just when you thought you'd get to see Batman do something cool, they cut to what Jim Gordons doing outside. They Cut to Rachel picking her nose, they cut GCPD, taking a squat..ANYTHING except Batman kicking ass. And this is a fact...dont beleive me..go see it again. It was a copout, a sham, and leaves many wondering if Nolan is truly the man for this job. Just as Batman has to be good at more than one thing, Nolan has to good at more than just psycho thrillers if wants to make a Batman movie. Hands now Burton squashed Nolan in the Action Department.
-The pace of the movie needed to slow down. From the start it was so rushed.
-They ending with the Water Vapor, was tricky for people to get. I got it because I read the script, but watching it was utter clutter. And the urgency of the situation was lost, only thing that you knew for sure is, "Batman's GOTTA stop that train....but why?...oh yeah cuz of the water vapor..." 🙄 And what about the vaccine, could they really get it out in time to save the Narrows people. Rachel hardly lasted 30 minutes. Too many questions not enough good story telling.
-Best Part, Bruce pulling Ras up with one arm. I probably liked it because it was the only REAL action in the movie.
-Sometimes his voice was good, others his Batman voice was just plain goofy.
-Overall production was lousy.
-Wait best part...When he was sitting atop the perch looking at the City as Batman. That was the coolest scene proably because he was'nt moving, and looking dumb, but moreso because it looked most like The Batman I've come to know, eventhough it only lasted about 5 seconds.
-This movie was no better than Daredevil, which is sad. Well naturally Batman is cooler than Daredevil, so it's not that bad, but that's not saying much.
-6.5 out of 10 Stars.
Are you insane? Did we see the same movie? If you think that Batman Begins is no better than Daredevil, then you are an absolute idiot. What the hell are you thinking? If you were in charge of making the Batman Begins movie it would never get finished. Shut up!
question, flip mode: ok, this movie was crap. but how do you account for the fact that so many people, not only on here but across the nation (and may I say the world) have such a raging fascination and approval of this movie? if it is so much garbage.....I guess that means that garbage is good, in that people like it so much! count me as one of them. i loved this crap flawed movie! bounced up and down in my movie seat! especially the flies buzzing around and the awful smell! this crap smelly movie was awesome! I dunno, maybe I'm bizarre, but i don't think counting the number of villains and making a decision on the movie even before i've purchased my ticket and entered the theater sounds very sound to me. I remember your post of earlier, saying it was going to suck based on the # of villains. well, ok, it sucked rocks big time. but I have a taste for rocks, as do most other people on this planet. you may go smell your flowers, we are content with this: hm....there doesn't seem to be a smilie that shows a pile of crap.....darn....well, just imagine some here. too bad. you missed out on two very enjoyable hours. on your way!
oh yes and my review! spoilers ok? good! here we go!
---overall, see above! friggin fantastic! THEY FINALLY GOT BATMAN RIGHT!
now for random comments, good and.....oh, i just can't bring myself to say "bad"!
---alfred's accent. sounded...well, i'll get my scottish/english brother in law to rank caine's accent. (I can't believe i'm commenting on the english accent of an englishman!) but he almost sounded either cockney (an "oik"😉 at times, and others even australian. caine can do a great australian accent, see the end of "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels".
--that said, oldman and bale's accents were flawless! right? i didn't hear a wrong vowel or consonant. you wouldn't know they weren't american.
---music---well, let's just say I ran out to get lunch for father's day, and tried wandering around the local mall looking for a cd store (the mall actually didn't have one!) looking for the soundtrack. no, there was no triumpant elfman type theme, but batman isn't a triumpant soldier marching hup two hup two into battle---he's dark rage and all that, which is what this was. kinda reminded me of a heartbeat or something, pulse rate. very cool, dark. i hung around in the theater until the credits were done so i could hear all of it. i'll be buying this one as soon as i can find it! great!
---when he gets outa bed and just kinda falls to the floor with the pushups--- cool! 🙂 🙂 can i chew on his deltoids? pleeez?
---ok, so neeson WAS ras? alrightey. but then who was ken playing? a decoy? we might get double-agent-ed on this one, but what do i know... why a decoy?.....anyway. nope didn't see it coming, but i was so buzzed by then i couldn't really jump outa my seat. (lovely liam palying a BAD guy?????)
---yeah, the chronology was wild. i though alfred said something about bruce's parents "in the depression". maybe the depression of the 1990s? dunno. but but this is a fictional character. it isn't going to be precise with everything else done on the character, even with who killed his parents. if it tried to follow all the "canon", the result would be a story so twisted it might be tortuous and too hard to follow, and lose impact.
---i can't believe he shot chill! really can't believe it! cannot believe it! and no one saw him do it? o come on! that was a bit hard to swallow.
---when he strung the bad cop up and bounced him up and down in the rain, interrogating him---LOVED the voice. that wasn't even human---that was snarling animalistic! perfect pissed off batman. of course, he usually *arrives* pissed off...... jacked up pissed off, then! 🙂
---nice dip in the pool! i actually laughed!
---yeah, i was straining to hear what people were saying here and there, but....that gives me an excuse to go see it again! 🙂
---cool car......ok, i'll buy it. very cool stealth mode! i wrote a scene like that, all lights off and switch to another, quieter sub-engine. and where it changes in the interior to him kinda laying down....cool! different! but why are people calling it the "tumbler"? i missed that reference....
------it was so real the comic book references were almost jarring. like, "waitaminit, that's fictional silliness! get back to the movie!" that's a credit to how real it was. but what were the references to the burton movies that someone mentioned? that it had batman in it? i didn't get that.
---the jaws approach. the guys are unloading stuff, there's a crashing sound, they turn around, and someone has just vanished. they investigate, getting scared spitless---in my opinion, PERFECT pure undiluted flawless batman. PERFECT. the way he should be done.
---in the theater I was in, i saw, like, NO posters or anything. that kinda surprised me. lots for the fantastic four and other movies, but...no bats. hm.....
----so i notice no purists have whined about the fact that the entry to the cave is a piano, not a grandfather clock. i don't care---it was cool anyway.
---ok, at the very start of the movie, i swear I saw a flash, almost subliminal, of a drawing of the joker. i'm sure i saw it. even before the bats started flying across the screen. did anyone else spot this?
---yeah, it was a bit hard to see who was hitting who at times, but.....i had that same complaint with forever, and i still kinda liked that movie.
very very very cool movie! i'm going to go see it every weekend! well....i'm going to see it more than once, that's for sure! when have i done this before.......not many, but i don't see very many movies at all anyway, way less than five in any given year. whooooooooooo!
so yeah flipmode, i love crap. can you explain this? I can't. how come I loved this movie, despite all the points you list?
i'm not judging this movie against b&R, or against any other movie. i'm judging it by itself. I don't come into the theater with a "Movie Ranker Calculator" and punch in 1) what I thought of the previous movie in this series, 2) how many villains are in this movie and 3) what I know about movie editing, sound board technology and model making, and hit the "equals" button and see my opinion given to me by my Movie Ranker Calculator even before my butt hits the seat. I seem to have a rather inflated opinion of this half-assed movie. why? If a truly good movie came along, I probably wouldn't be the only one suffering a fatal heart attack as a reaction, then. find me a critic who is calling it half-assed or "halfway decent". most people are calling this half-assed movie very very very good, "they finally got batman right", "best comic book movie", "movie of the year", etc. this is a halfway decent movie? wow. one boggles as to what the effects would be from a truly great movie.
ps unlike most people, i only saw B&R once, in the theater, and never again. I did not go out and buy the tape or dvd, and therefore I also do not watch it on occasion "just to see if it's as bad as I thought it was". it was a very forgettable movie, and my reaction was just that---I pretty much forgot all about it as soon as the credits started to roll. I am completely apathetic about it, and in addition my already apathetic memory about it has also faded quite a bit after nearly 10 yrs. So when it comes to my opinion of batman begins, I do not start at Batman and Robin. I start and end at Batman Begins.