What a big surprise here, the US lied to its coalition partners... Britain should make a statement and leave Iraq.. Maybe it would make things go smoother and stop the lying. Or at least the lying about things that people will find out.
And Ush what the hell are you talking about
The Netherlands pays four times to the EU then the second country in the list, we get very little back in return. This was okay when we were still one of the richest country's in the world but we are number 5 or so now. Why are we still paying more? Britain shouldn't complain with it stupid cuts and discounts.
How did we behave back then?
How are we so different now?
Try being an American before you badmouth us.
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Yes because being an american is so hard
And I don't badmouth you..please understand that I am talking aboot the behaviour of your country.
First of all a good thing would be not to attack countries for no just reason.
Next maybe not lie to your partners or the UN anymore
Then be a role model for other countries....as you were back in WW I and WWII
Sorry the four times was wrong it was four times as much as France I believe. Still we pay 2 times as much as the second in the list and we aren't even the richest country in Europe anymore.
I'll get right on that and give those politicians a nice little time out for being so deceitful, cause by god they must be the only ones to have ever done it.
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Per citizen in a small country like Holland is totally disproportionate.
CAP sucks ridiciulous amounts of money out of our country for no good purpose. We sure as hell are going to moan- the system is TOTALLY unfair. The system does not benefit us one iota.
What the US offers us is far more attractive. My point then is simply that, as it is certainly not true that the US treats us worse than Europe who treat us pretty shabbily, the idea we should favour Europe more is plain silly. Neither side treats us particularly well but we still do better across the Atlantic. If Europe wants the UK to move closer to it it should treat Britain accordingly, else it is never going to happen.
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But you are not the only one that pay a lot and don't get a lot....the thing is we hope that it will bring something good in the long run...why do we always have to think so nationalistic....
Yes, well just making sure...and don't play the beat hitler card again that doesn't justify innocent people in the middle east.
Anyways, the ME is another story and I'm too tired to indulge you in another argument.
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We do not pay that money into Europe simply to subsidise rich farmers who do not need subsidising.
That is where the money is going. It is not going to ANY worth cause; it is simply making western European agriculture richer than it needs to be, at the expense, incidentally, of the Third World, which is losing criminal amounts of money because they cannot trade fairly against these monstrous EU subsidies.
We see bugger all of that money because our agriculture system doesn't work the same way and we import most of our food.
Bottom line is- Europe is screwing us for money to line their own pockets. France then has the gall to turn around and say it is all our fault because of the Rebate, when they make FAR more out of the totally unfair CAP subsidies than we could ever dream of making.
This hypocritical nonsense will drive the UK away from Europe. We are losing from it. Our relationship with the US, however, benefits us. In fact, they pay us rather handsomely.
The EU's current attitude? To tell us to drop the rebate and make it even MORE unfair. It will not happen, and whilst the contemptible attitude continues, no lie about weapons use from the US- irritating as it is- is going to compare.
We're willing to pay for Europe. We're just not willing to pay to subiside other people who are hardly in need of subsidy. If it went out east or to Africa we could stomach it. We will not stomach European fat cats simply taking our money.
Whilst that situation continues the UK can only drift dfurther out.
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Re: Re: US Lied to Britain Over Use of Napalm in Iraq War
If you paid attention in history class, It was the brits that disgused there ships as US ships during WWII so german uboats wouldnt blow them up .. and when the germans caught on they started blowing up all the boats. So lets not start using words like " betrayed "
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yes but I remember in 1056 AD.........no seriously can't we stop with ancient history its aboot now.
Although Fishy as well as Ush have valueable points the thing is that the EU basically is a nice idea...of course there is a lot wrong but it would be sad if the idea gets destroyed because of some disagreements.
the use of napalm...thats the topic isnt it?
and im sure we all believe that the bombing is completely
discriminate and we wont have to see images of children
burning alive, because napalm is such an accurate weapon.
WRONG
wtf is so different between using a chemical weapon and
burning people alive? isnt that one of the 4 big reasons we invaded
iraq? we should know because we heard bush sqawk them like a parrot:
-saddam had direct ties to al quaida and helped fund the 9/11 attacks: FALSE
-saddam posessed chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction: FALSE
-saddam was seekeng enriched uranium from africa: FALSE
-saddam used chemical weapons on his own people: TRUE
and might i add: HEY SADDAM!!!! thats OUR job!!!!!! STEP ASIDE AND WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW ITS DONE!!!!!!!!! oh but wait....we use napalm in iraqis, so thats better. lord knows its such a humane death to be saturated from head to toe with a highly flammable liquid and incinerated slowly. so humane. and im sure that somehow magically the only victims of such bombings are insurgents. yeah OK.
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