Would the absence of earth and humans change the universe?

And maybe if we cannot answer that question independently of us... it could mean that the universe depend on us in someway.

To say that something exist we must be able to observe it in someway, right ? This universe that we speak about consists of all our observations, and sensations from it. If we were not here this same universe of observations, and sensations would not exist, so it will change a lot since it will not exist anymore. If you are thinking about a universe which is not this universe of observations, and sensations, then you are thinking about a metaphysical concept(like God), and maybe this metaphysical universe could not change with our absence, but a universe like this is not real in my opinion.

To contemplate ideas about the ultimate, absolute, essence of the universe, God, nature, etc., is senseless, fruitless and bad for one's mental as well as physical health, as it creates confusion, frustration, intellectual conflicts, and ultimately, no real answers. We must simply accept the fact that we, as mere human beings, being very small parts of the whole of the universe, cannot know the essence of the truth of existence.
However, we must accept the fact that some things are hidden from our knowledge and then strive to be in synchronisation with the vibration and rhythm of this mystic law of the universe. One can only make peace with the great unknown of the universe if one accepts the mystery of the Universe's essence like a flower of which the seed producing mechanism is hidden and broken when probed.

Originally posted by Wonderer
To contemplate ideas about the ultimate, absolute, essence of the universe, God, nature, etc., is senseless, fruitless and bad for one's mental as well as physical health, as it creates confusion, frustration, intellectual conflicts, and ultimately, no real answers.

Thats true... I used to think about unanswerable questions a lot, and experimented physical unhealthiness for sometime, like epilepsy for example... psychological stress can cause it, its not just a physical problem. When I learned to control myself psychologically, it simply vanished.

That's why I am a Buddhist now.

Originally posted by Wonderer
That's why I am a Buddhist now.

I agree, I used to suffer over things I didn't need to, but didn't know that I didn't need to suffer. "Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy" If we suffer over what we are meant to enjoy, we just miss out.

Hate to be stating the obvious but the answer's in the question. The universe would be different if Earth and humans didn't exist because... there wouldn't be Earth or humans in the universe and that would be a difference. Maybe it's an insignificant difference, but it's a difference.

Originally posted by Zarathustra
Hate to be stating the obvious but the answer's in the question. The universe would be different if Earth and humans didn't exist because... there wouldn't be Earth or humans in the universe and that would be a difference. Maybe it's an insignificant difference, but it's a difference.

Ya, you are right.

No, I don't think we can talk about the ABSENCE of ourselves and the Earth, while we are PRESENT- it doesn't make sense.

I agree... and maybe that means that this universe depend on us in someway.

I believe every things is connected and there are many dimensional levels that we cannot see or sense, so even if we are not in this present form...there is still a functioning universe....

Without us, there would be changes we couldn't imagine. We wouldn't know what these changes would be, so it would be all but impossible to talk about a world without us when we exist, like Atlantis.
Wonderer, I contemplate. The way you descirbe it, that is thinking. Contemplating, for me at least, is thinking slowly and quietly, preferably on some spare time. I don't epect to reach answers quickly at all, indeed, the answer that I might get isn't very scientific, in fact. After contemplating while on long car rides and whatever activity in which waiting is involved, I believe that this person can achieve his or her own understanding of the universe.

Contemplating and thinking...still, its a fruitless means to kill time.

Why do you suppose that the universe would be different without human beings? The absence of something does not necessarily make it different in any way other than just an absence.

That's it! If there were no humans in the universe, then time would not exist!

For humans....yes.

No, not for humans, because in the event of the absence of humans, there is no 'for humans'. Time is in the mind.

For humans... 😄 ....on this vibrational level of consciousness...what about the other levels and dimensions...

We cannot speak of other dimensions, since we do not experience them.

Originally posted by Wonderer
We cannot speak of other dimensions, since we do not experience them.

Though there are some that do experience it...yes....

But if we are only talking about humans only..then it would affect only time and the universe for humans..

Originally posted by Wonderer
No, not for humans, because in the event of the absence of humans, there is no 'for humans'. Time is in the mind.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I believe every things is connected and there are many dimensional levels that we cannot see or sense, so even if we are not in this present form...there is still a functioning universe....

It seems that the universe is defined by our observations of it, so if we were not here we can´t talk about it. But maybe our consciousness is more complex than we imagine. Our consciousness could be like a whole interconected thing, instead of something just ours, in a way that "our absence" mean that just a part of this whole consciousness(that part which correspond to us) will not be here to observe the universe. So even without us the universe will still be, in fact I think that "without us" means just that our ego, and individuality will not be present, but "we"(or something else, since there is no individuality anymore) will still exist in another form even if this another form is not who we are here today anymore.

See, I didn´t even need LSD. 😄

Originally posted by Spelljammer
End of the universe SpellJammer's ass, it would be the best thing to ever happen to mother Earth. Animals would be able to frolic freely in the many lush forests, the cycles of weather would run thier natural corse, and the energies that dwell would be at thier peeks of peformance.

SpellJammer believes truly that humans were the most dispicable thing to ever be created. They're like locusts, devouring and corrupting everything they touch. Only spreading doom and mayhem wherever they breed. The only way this "human nature" can be avoided is if they learn to fight it and listen to the inner voice of God. Animals don't need to listen to God because they don't have the mental capacity to manifest thier "human nature". But we do, so we HAVE to listen to God if we have any hope of survival for the BETTER..

The Alantians did it.
The Mayans did it.
The Aztecs did it.
The Aincent Egyptions did it.

And it wasn't just bad weather that did these guys in, alot of the most genious of spiritual Indians were destroyed by people who didn't listen to the voice of God. Or as SpellJammer likes to refer to them, "the white devil".