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I think something along the lines of Mace was supposed to lose but Sameul L. Jackson refused. So I believe he had Ian McDiarmid overact to show he threw the fight. Of course I might be wrong.
Ok so when Dooku clearly defeated Obi-Wan in a few seconds while also fighting Anakin and not even focusing. So Dooku giving Obi 100% wouldn't be able to defeat Obi in 10 seconds.
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WTF ? Last time you told it was on Sidious / Palpatines profile - and it wasn't there. Now you tell me it's on Yoda's databank profile and quess what I found:
"The Emperor proved too powerful to defeat. Though Yoda held his own for much of the duel, in the end, the Sith bested him. He realized that directly confronting the Sith would be doomed to failure."
Let's see...Mace Windu confronted Sidious directly and won.
Now Yoda who is better than Mace in lightsaber duels as well as in force use it too weak to do that ? LMAO.
Sorry to tell you, Genises but this is simply BS. That entire paragraph is based on the ROTS novel which contradicts the movie in dozens of occasions (e.g. Obi-Wan vs Grievous) and therefore I'm not taking that serious even though (fact from the movie) that:
a) Sidious feared direct confrontation with Yoda
b) Because of that ran away
c) Only was lucky to defeat Yoda not "too powerful"
And even in the novel it says that Yoda only "can't win" and that is in a situation where he knew that clone troopers were on their way to help Sidious while in the film he lost his lightsaber and troops are coming. Thereby saying Sidious was "too powerful" is complete nonsens.
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But since this is in the Mustafar meeting room and not the Chancellor's office would Sidious get defeated by Mace as fast as he did? Look at ROTS. Mace kicks Sidious's lightsaber out of his hand and it falls out of the shaddered window. Now as Dooku defeated Obi-Wan twice and was clearly toying with him.
Mace vs. Sidious= Still going on
Dooku vs. Obi-Wan= Dooku
Yoda vs. Maul= Still going on
Maul has the best attack and defense out of the 6. So he would last longer then Obi-Wan did against Dooku since Yoda doesn't use the force to defeat his opponents.
Mace vs. Sidious & Dooku= Sith
Yoda vs. Maul= (By this time) Yoda
Now we all saw that Dooku is clearly equal (If not better) then Yoda in terms of lightsaber duels.
Yoda vs. Dooku & Sidious= Sith wins at the loss of Maul.
I bet that Yoda could take out Maul prettu fast, Padawan Obi-Wan cut Mauls lightsaber in two, Yoda would cut Maul in two. And I bet both Mace Windu and Dooku has better attack and defence than Maul.
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Sidious and Mace would fight for a small amount of time until Sidious his arrogance would once again be his dead, Mace would win and this time he would kill Sidious.
Dooku would easily dispatch of Obi Wan in just seconds
Yoda would kill Maul in just seconds, really to say Maul would an effort is underrating Yoda by a huge amount, the sheer power of the force would make him win and fast, that push that he did against Sidous would effectively destroy Maul. Once Yoda gets into the fight and he will do it fast considering the other fights he will kill Maul.
Dooku would want to kill Obi Wan but it will take some time he will knock him out fast and then move in for the kill, Yoda would stop that before Dooku has the chance and he will take out Dooku, it will take time but he will do it.
Before he takes out Dooku Mace will have killed Sidious and the Jedi will win the fight.
That's another example
Dooku vs. Mace
Sidious vs. Obi-Wan
Yoda vs. Maul
Dooku can defeat Mace, Sidious can defeat Obi-Wan, and Yoda can defeat Maul.
Sith 2
Jedi 1
Dooku and Sidious can defeat Yoda.
And Obi-Wan was using Yoda's form but Yoda does a lot more jumping around so Obi-Wan not jumping around gave him a better chance of cutting Maul's lightsaber in 2.
Maul is the weakest duellist in that entire fight and no way he would last longer than Obi-Wan. Maybe equal amount of time and you end with Sidious + Dooku VS Yoda and Mace = Jedi win again.
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Dooku's form is not good for defence either. And do you really expect to be able to convince anyone that Yoda only knows one form after hundreds of years of training. I bet he also knows Juyo and Soresu.
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You guys compare people as if they have definite advantages. Each lightsaber duelist has different advantages over different people. When comparing duelists, you cannot logically say A > B and B > C, therefore A > C. This is why Obi-Wan > Anakin > Dooku > Obi-Wan and so-on. It's a simply like rock, paper, scissors. One can beat two, but can't beat three. There are some who are great, like Mace, who dominates almost everyone, but no matter what, you can't assume he's invincible because he beat Sidious, who is (according to GL) the strongest of his time.
You are partly correct. Obi-wan is > than Anakin, but Anakin is not better than Dooku. Dooku was supposed to lose to him. No one should still need to hear this. Dooku losing was part of Sidious' plan. Anakin wasn;t supposed to kill him though.
Mace is better than Sidious because he uses Vapaad, reducing Sidious' force cloud effect because half of his energy comes from the darkside. Yoda could beat Mace, but Sidious can beat some force LS force users that are stronger than Mace. The A>B=A>C is not always used and is usually thought through before bring used.
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Here's what he was suppose to do.
Dooku kills Obi-Wan
Dooku gets defeated and captured by Anakin
General Grievous takes control of the CIS and Dooku tells the Republic that he was behind it
Grievous is killed
Sidious and Dooku form the Empire
Sidious and Dooku rule the galaxy
Aug 15th, 2005 03:32 AM
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