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Are you for the death penalty or against it?
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21 |
38.18% |
| against death penalty |
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23 |
41.82% |
| Undecided |
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11 |
20.00% |
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55 votes |
100% |
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Ushgarak
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 Gender: Male
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UK Co-Admin |
Queeq is right., The feelings of the family of the victim should have NO bearing on sentence. Once we let justice be driven by subjective rather than objective thoughts, it is FINISHED.
And I would like to think that I would not compromise my morals about the death sentence even if it were one of my own that was harmed. I am not impressed by your question, DJ. It makes out that everyone who says that is a hypocrite, which they are not. I have seen many examples of people sticking to their morals in just such a situation. These are better role-models for us than those who want to see all dangerous criminals executed.
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Last edited by Ushgarak on Dec 27th, 2001 at 09:39 PM
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Dec 27th, 2001 09:18 PM |
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Ratcat
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Whilst death may seem like the ultimate sentence I think that a life sentence of hard labour, and I mean REAL hard labour, is a much better idea.
That way they can contemplate their crimes for the rest of their lives.
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Dec 27th, 2001 09:31 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UK Co-Admin |
Indeed. As far as I am concerned, we should do anything harsh short of actual physical harm, and CERTAINLY not murder!
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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"
"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"
BtVS
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Dec 27th, 2001 09:40 PM |
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yerssot
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guess we are all humanists then 
actually... can someone recap who is pro-death penalty?
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Dec 27th, 2001 09:49 PM |
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Ushgarak
Paladin
Gender: Male
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UK Co-Admin |
From what I remember, Finti, DJ, Gundy and even Julie.
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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"
"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"
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Dec 27th, 2001 09:50 PM |
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yerssot
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I might have guessed that DJ was one of them...
and finti is also quoting a fragment of a religious book of the jews so I want to talk more about that...
Julie... I think she will change her mind soon ...
*gets out his lightsabre*
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Dec 27th, 2001 09:57 PM |
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queeq
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Location: JP's bed |
Well, you all will kill me for this, but I kinda feel for the medieval ways where perpetrators were displayed at markets and people could throw fruit and stuff at them. They'd have a sign syaing what they did around their neck, so everyone knew what they had done. Or they'd have to do community work with a ball-and-chain and a sign reading their violation. The only problem is that people probably won;t forget what they did. But it sounds like an effective repellant.
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:02 PM |
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Ushgarak
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It encourages mob mentality, is the main problem. It sounds rather elitist but 'the people' as a whole normally have to be removed from the judicial process; people plural have proven to be poor judges of justice (if you will forgive the wordplay).
Like during the big paedophile scare in the UK two years back a mob of people vandalised a house belonging to a paediatrician (that's a child doctor, for those who do not know). Too stupid to know what the poor doctor was.
So loing as even a small fraction of people think and act this way, you have to keep justice as far removed from the public as you can.
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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"
"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"
BtVS
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:06 PM |
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queeq
Chaos
Gender: Unspecified
Location: JP's bed |
Yes, the mob is a bit dumb. But there is one problem. Punishment in modern western society is hardly enough to scare people away from breaking the law. I still see no solution for that.
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:08 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UK Co-Admin |
To be honest, without getting into a Nazi-style society, there seems to have been very little thgat EVER successfully prevented crime by power of fear. Certainly not the death sentence, and I don't think humilaition ever did it either.
Most CONVICTED serious criminals are either organised and did not expect (or at least plan) to be caught, 'nuts', or people who acted in passion. All three areas are immune to the 'putting off' factor.
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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"
"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"
BtVS
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:15 PM |
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queeq
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Nazi regime didn't work too well either on crime control.
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:17 PM |
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yerssot
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ok, please don't talk about nazis the whole time her 
ok, this is stupid but in the game "civilization" crime-rates drop when you have a fundamentalistic governement
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:18 PM |
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queeq
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Location: JP's bed |
Why can't we talk nazi's?
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:23 PM |
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yerssot
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let me say that they didn't really liked my family...
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:31 PM |
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queeq
Chaos
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That is exactly why we should keep mentioning them. So everyone knows what they did and why they came to power.
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:33 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Gender: Male
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UK Co-Admin |
I doubt whether queeq's folks had a great time with them.
Well, if you really don't want them mentioned I will respect that, yerss, but I am not sure if it is the way to go. Turks killed members of may family in the Great War but it is not as if I never want that regime mentioned again.
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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"
"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"
BtVS
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:36 PM |
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yerssot
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I think that's enough for those for this year... (and that includes 2002)
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:37 PM |
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queeq
Chaos
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Location: JP's bed |
My grandfather went in hiding to avoid being sent to a labour camp.
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:38 PM |
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yerssot
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then your grandfather was one of the lucky ones
and SHUT UP ABOUT IT!
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Dec 27th, 2001 10:45 PM |
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finti
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Yers if you dont want to see this discussed then you dont have to visit this thread, it is more than your opinon that counts
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Dec 28th, 2001 08:08 AM |
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