Originally posted by Fianna
Is there a logical argument for rape being right?..I seriously doubt it...there is something so wrong about rape, on a deeper level than just a moral one...
I believe this is true. I think many people may have numerous thoughts and beliefs as to why, beyond a moral level, it is wrong. I'll give a shot at why I think it is.
There is something eerily animalistic about the act of rape. It's a human giving in to his deepest, darkest primal and evilurges of rage, hate and sometimes, sexual desires. It's shitting on everything civilized humans like to think we stand for. It throws human dececy to the wind, it shits on society by shunning it's commonly accepted standards, and it destroys the life of another human being in ways that are arguably worse then death. All in one fast, cruel and ever living moment of pure animal hatred and fury.
I think an understanding of the word 'wrong' can be deduced by (hypothetically) applying the particular action to yourself. If the action is deemed painful, intrusive, absuive and therefore undesirable, then it is safe to say that it is 'wrong'. A general maxim to live by is one even 'God' got right: "Do unto others as you would have done to yourself"...Obviously, this doesn't apply to masochists.
As a side note, I love the condescending nature of most of your threads. It tickles me.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I think an understanding of the word 'wrong' can be deduced by (hypothetically) applying the particular action to yourself. If the action is deemed painful, intrusive, absuive and therefore undesirable, then it is safe to say that it is 'wrong'. A general maxim to live by is one even 'God' got right: "Do unto others as you would have done to yourself"...Obviously, this doesn't apply to masochists.
That's the problem with that view, some people would have it 'done unto' them.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
As a side note, I love the condescending nature of most of your threads. It tickles me.
Are you sure you know what that word means? It's pretty long.
I'm not normally being condescending, I just like to layer things. It usually works like a mirror.
A lot of people seem to espouse the view that things are just wrong because they are. This tends to end up in circular logic.
By the way, this isn't referring to rape specifically, but anything deemed 'wrong'.
It's an interesting area because concepts of right and wrong are as faith-based as religion, yet they are viewed as unimpeachable.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
That's the problem with that view, some people would have it 'done unto' them.
In the context of rape, someone couldn't want to have it done to them. I think the label of something being 'wrong' is judged by a consensus.
Are you sure you know what that word means? It's pretty long.
Are you flirting with me, boy?
I'm not normally being condescending, I just like to layer things. It usually works like a mirror.
I don't believe you! You just like to sit back and enjoy the moron show. I've noticed you explicitly highlight what you're looking for, yet still the clowns parade...
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
In the context of rape, someone couldn't want to have it done to them. I think the label of something being 'wrong' is judged by a consensus.
True, rape requires lack of consent. I'm not really referring to rape specifically though, just general 'wrongness'.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Are you flirting with me, boy?
So very wrong.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I don't believe you! You just like to sit back and enjoy the moron show. I've noticed you explicitly highlight what you're looking for, yet still the clowns parade...
If you build it, they will come.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It's an interesting area because concepts of right and wrong are as faith-based as religion, yet they are viewed as unimpeachable.
Only from within a specific society. From an anthropological perspective, shared ethics are the glue that holds the world together. However, as globalisation continues, the friction between the different ethics of particular societies threatens to tear the world to pieces.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Only from within a specific society. From an anthropological perspective, shared ethics are the glue that holds the world together. However, as globalisation continues, the friction between the different ethics of particular societies threatens to tear the world to pieces.
Maybe it'll be the death of globalisation.
If it is universally agreed, then it is an absolute. I don't agree with that, rather I believe it is a consensus within a society.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Maybe it'll be the death of globalisation.
It would seem incredible if it did result in this, but what other alternative is there? The death of the world? Probably not...
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I think the socio-cultural barriers will prove impenetrable, even though economic elements seem to continue unbridled.
This could be true, but I think the lust for lucre will prove to be irresistible.
Look at the relationship between China and 'The West'...Here is a communist, authoritarian state dealing with capitalistic democracies. You have the US president exposing the virtues of freedom and his crusade to defend it, while at the same time he refuses to actively promote Taiwan independence.
Bringing the thread back into focus, I think I'm saying that shared ethics are dilluted by economic increase. However, some radical factions within these countries can cause large-scale disruptions. Therefore, what is considered 'wrong' can evolve through prosperity and greater integration with the wider world, but resistance can be all too turbulent.