Let's imagine something: Thor decides to kill Hulk. Even regular Thor could use Mjolnir to open a portal that would leave Hulk directly to a black hole. End of story.
But he did lose that one to Hulk. Of course not in such a humiliating way the Hulk lost to King Thor without an entire arm.
King thor without Odin Force and against the Thing as well, although that would have made no difference. 85 tons vs someone who can put a hole in a Celestial ?????????
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The Hulk can beat Thor if the son of Odin uses his (normal) attack methodology of swinging Mjolnir like a baseball bat.
However, if Marvel was to write Thor to his potential,where he is using all of his various abilities (and for ONCE not using Mjolnir as if it was ONLY a hammer), then NO VERSION OF THE HULK COULD DEFEAT THOR.
However since in MOST cases Thor is written as a long-haired blonde Nordic BRAWLER with a nifty hammer then it is quite possible for the Hulk to beat Thor (and it has happened).
The way Thor is usually written is quite sad .....for all intents and purposes he is a blonde Hulk, although instead of saying 'Hulk smash' he says 'Thor smash with big hammer.'
And then throws a lightning bolt or two, and maybe tosseshis hammer around so it can come flying back to him (someone needs to sell him a boomerang).
Written to his fullest Thor would be one hard character to stop.
Written as usual then Thor can be beaten by Captain America (as once happened, where Cap smashed Thor over and over with his shield).
Sad.
A one-handed non-odin-force King Thor, which is essentially regular thor but without the paranoia about killing mortals inhibiting his every action. In other words, the strength level of crazy Thor.
The only hero to ever actually knock thor out is Beta Ray Bill. In terms of duking it out, the only times the Hulk has ever got the better of regular thor is when regular thor was distracted by civilians or paused when the hulk was down to enter a long philosophical monologue. When there havent been distractions its always ended in a standstill which means Beta Ray Bill should be able to have a slight advantage over the hulk. Berserk thor would kill them both.
BTW I should add that the there is no better example of the leap in capability between regular Thor and unleashed Thor than in the Dark Gods series where Thor is initially overpowered easily by one of the Dark Gods but later single-handedly downs the Dark God heavy hitters.
At first, one of the Dark Gods was smacking thor about in a way the Hulk could only dream of. I mean this guy chopped the hammer in half then kicked the living crap out of Thor who barely escaped with his life into a drain hole.
When thor came back (with a couple of friends to keep the enemy minions busy), he was pissed and proceeded to effortlessly wipe the floor with the same Dark God who had smacked him around earlier, literally smashing his skull in, then frying the head of the Dark Gods (who had been powered up by the odin force) with a sustained blast of his "god-force".
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Beta Ray Bill is not the only hero who has knocked Thor out cold. Captain America did it too. And of course various villains, but I suppose they are not regarded as 'heroes'
Aliveinboston got my point here, even regular Thor is a GOD ant the fact is: it was already shown in Marvel by the great Dan Jurgens what is the real scope of Thor strength and fight capability. Without and arm and without the Odinforce he killed Hulk,Thing, and all the other heroes Dr. Strange teletransported to his castle. Show me who else in Marvel can do that. And please don't say Hyperion from the Exiles.
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I'm not saying Cap is above Thor. I just said that BRB isn't the only hero who has knocked Thor out. Even though Alpha Flight beat Galactus I'm not saying they are stonger than him.
Here it goes once more: Alpha Flight knocked Galactus out, but still Galactus is far stronger and better than Alpha Flight. Cap knocked Thor out, but still Thor is far stronger and better than Cap.
My aim simply was to falsify the statement which said Beta Ray Bill is the only hero who has knocked Thor out. Why would I say that Cap is above Thor when it is clear that Cap is outclassed?
Thor written like he should would kill hulk all around end of story, but if Thor wants to trade blows with the Hulk then Thor will lose unless Thor goes warrior madness on him which is very possible.
Thor written full potential >>>> Hulk 10/10
Thor in brawl with hulk, Hulk 8/10
Last edited by the Darkone on Feb 22nd, 2006 at 06:12 PM
War Hulk was not created to fight the Celestials. Apocalypse was planning to use the energy created by the Hulk when he fought Juggernaught and Absorbing Man to overthrow the Celestials himself.
However, Hulk rebeled and ripped the enhancements from himself and hopped on a plane out of Egypt.
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