who should the x4 villain be

Originally posted by thorncrawler
right before you say anything i hated vinnie as cain, but...

as you said IN THE COMICS He's a giant, impossibly sized, mystically empowered human. how ever aside from us comic geeks if he had been empowered in the film they would have to do a juggs film to explain it to the common people instead make him a muttie and there everyone can understand his power or would you want a vinnie jones as the juggernaut film?????

You're asking me if I would rather have a character changed, morphed and made to look like a steroid-induced YMCA reject to make it appeal to people going to see it as a Saturday night, popcorn flick, than have it depicted true and risk pissing off people who don't like the comics?

Gonna have to go with the last one.

-AC

yeah but for a company they will want common people to enjoy the film and so famous actor and real looking juggs

Cept I basically the only guy who knows who Viniie Jones is in my hometown,(Getting sick and tired of explaining to myfriends who he is), so except in Britain, not really famous. For thodse of you who don't Vinnie Jones is a former British soccer player who played for eam such as Leeds United, Chealsea, Wimbeldon, and Tottsham Hottspurr, played for the Welsh national soccer team, though born in England. After his carreer was over, he was approached by Guy Ritchie o be Lock Stock, And Two Smoking Barrels. After that success, he starred in Ritchies other film Snatch, in Gone In sIxty Seconds, Eurotrip, the British remake of the Longest Yard( cepwith soccer), and is set to play a Balkan dictator in an upcoming film. Still a little mad about what he did to Gazza( though I wasn't born yet) NUFC fans know what I am talking about. He is probably the most sucessful former athlete turned actor(in terms of talent)

Originally posted by thorncrawler
yeah but for a company they will want common people to enjoy the film and so famous actor and real looking juggs

I know this is a difficult concept to get your heads around, but I'll simplify it:

The only way to have a realistic looking Juggernaut is to have him as CGI, if of course you want him to actually look like he is meant to look. If they couldn't do that, they shouldn't have had him in it.

It's not like the "common" people are going to go there and think "Awww, where's Juggernaut!".

Originally posted by Lighthammer
Cept I basically the only guy who knows who Viniie Jones is in my hometown,(Getting sick and tired of explaining to myfriends who he is), so except in Britain, not really famous. For thodse of you who don't Vinnie Jones is a former British soccer player who played for eam such as Leeds United, Chealsea, Wimbeldon, and Tottsham Hottspurr, played for the Welsh national soccer team, though born in England. After his carreer was over, he was approached by Guy Ritchie o be Lock Stock, And Two Smoking Barrels. After that success, he starred in Ritchies other film Snatch, in Gone In sIxty Seconds, Eurotrip, the British remake of the Longest Yard( cepwith soccer), and is set to play a Balkan dictator in an upcoming film. Still a little mad about what he did to Gazza( though I wasn't born yet) NUFC fans know what I am talking about. He is probably the most sucessful former athlete turned actor(in terms of talent)

He was a shit footballer though.

-AC

Thats why he played dirty.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The only way to have a realistic looking Juggernaut is to have him as CGI,

He was a shit footballer though.

-AC

yeah but people who don't know the back story will think that there isn't a problem with him, but if it had been CG they would think WTF and they blatently would have done him looking cr@p it was a simple real world juggernaut, simple is obviously missed on you! 😛

and yeah he was sh!t

Originally posted by thorncrawler
yeah but people who don't know the back story will think that there isn't a problem with him, but if it had been CG they would think WTF and they blatently would have done him looking cr@p it was a simple real world juggernaut, simple is obviously missed on you! 😛

and yeah he was sh!t

You aren't making any sense.

Why would they think "WTF"? It's a superhero movie, they're not going in expecting realism. When you've got a guy who has claws coming out of his hands, a really big man is probably the least of the worries.

I don't care if it was a real world Juggernaut. It's not a real world movie. It has a man who can control metal, a psychic and a girl who can walk through walls. If you have a real world anyone, then take away all their powers, because newsflash; It's a comic book movie. If they couldn't do Juggernaut in CGI, then don't f*cking have him in the movie.

-AC

but they are all human (actors) why have one hunchman as a CG a complete waste of buget

I know Phoenix was in the 3rd one, but maybe they'll bring her back(either good or bad0 just to show her true powers.In this movie she mainly stood around watching and when she started controling everything she got killed....and by who....Wolverine...should Jean be the one to kill phoenix? Im lost i heard Jean doesnt die and Jean does kill the phoenix.Can anyone tell me what did or is suposed to really happen?Oh and yeah aside from phoenix apoclypes should be the nex villain.

in the comic jean kills the pheonix in her psyce. wolvie killes her in the film, clarified for you?

yeah *sigh* i guess that will have to do.

i say apoco is gonna be in it but i might be wrong

Originally posted by Lighthammer
Vinnie Jones was a good chocie for Juggernaut, they just needed to CGi build him up more, not as much as the Hulk, just enough to see veins almost pop.

I agree Lighthammer, Vinnie Jones was a good choice for Juggernaut. I was a little hesitant when the first pictures came out of him in that muscle suit, but as with anybody in a costume, it once again becomes so much more plausible once you see them in the action. The scene that solidified it for me was when he was ramming through the Worthinton lab walls one after the other. With the THX theater sound, that was incredible.

And yes I'm an X-Men fan, and I've collected a few comics here and now while watching the 90's cartoon show, and I didn't mind that he wasn't a 15 ft tall, 2 -ton monster in the movie. The studio in this case went with the easier route, a muscle suit, and it still worked for me and undoubtedly most of the regular viewing audience. It makes me wonder how some die-hard fans, who want each character to look 100% exactly like their comic counterpart, will react next year when the thin-framed Topher Grace interprets Venom. Would you allow it to work if Topher pulls off one hell of performance, or would you never even bother to like it because Topher isn't a hulking man like the comic-book Eddie Brock?

As for the next movie's villain, maybe with what happened with Xavier during that climatic scene at Jean's house Onslaught could've been born and began manifesting somewhere else, perhaps in that comatose body that was showcased early in the film. And yes I already know what happens after the credits, so that could help add more credence to that potential storyline. And I liked someone else's idea in a previous thread that Magneto could take over the school for his friend Charles, maybe in an attempt to thwart this new foe. Just some thoughts.

I'd say make the film about the return of Cyke, Xavier, and others - if you notice, they never "killed" them on screen, but it seemed as though their molecules dissipated. You could easily just say they were put in a sort of stasis or whatever. The film could also focus on a new breed of X-Men added to the crew, including Gambit, a reformed Psylocke (with the right powers this damn time), Havok, and such. While you're dealing with the return of the other characters (and throwing some out, like saying Kitty and Colossus are in a different sector of X-Men like X-Factor or whatever), you can deal with "the cure" wearing off on people like Rogue. Sinister could be involved in this cure thing somewhere and can be the main villain with some minors such as Juggernaut, Avalanche, and Quicksilver. At the end you can find out that Sinister is working for "a higher power".

The "higher power" would be Apocalypse, who would be the focus point of an X5 and an X6. X5 would focus on a sort of "King of the Mutants" type of thing going on where there are other groups besides the X-Men that want to get notoriety for being the elite basically. Some more cameos of course between people. At the end of that one, the X-Men are seemingly screwed and don't know what to do.

X6 deals with people coming back from the future - ala Cable and Bishop and such, that are sent to help the X-Men defeat Apocalypse and such.

Its a shame that it would be too hard to continue the whole government storyline, especially when you kill off characters like Gyrich without a moment's notice.

Originally posted by systemshock2
I agree Lighthammer, Vinnie Jones was a good choice for Juggernaut. I was a little hesitant when the first pictures came out of him in that muscle suit, but as with anybody in a costume, it once again becomes so much more plausible once you see them in the action. The scene that solidified it for me was when he was ramming through the Worthinton lab walls one after the other. With the THX theater sound, that was incredible.

That doesn't mean he was a good choice, it means you enjoyed that scene. I don't see how the THX sound makes Vinnie Jones a good Juggernaut. Probably because it doesn't.

Originally posted by systemshock2
And yes I'm an X-Men fan, and I've collected a few comics here and now while watching the 90's cartoon show, and I didn't mind that he wasn't a 15 ft tall, 2 -ton monster in the movie.

I read the comics religiously throughout the early, mid and late 90s. I did mind that they ruined it. I guess that's where we differ.

Originally posted by systemshock2
The studio in this case went with the easier route, a muscle suit, and it still worked for me and undoubtedly most of the regular viewing audience. It makes me wonder how some die-hard fans, who want each character to look 100% exactly like their comic counterpart, will react next year when the thin-framed Topher Grace interprets Venom. Would you allow it to work if Topher pulls off one hell of performance, or would you never even bother to like it because Topher isn't a hulking man like the comic-book Eddie Brock?

You're missing the point. Eddie Brock could be considered an average man who does weight work. Topher could easily bulk up enough to look good. Tobey Maguire bulked up to a massive degree when compared to what he was, Topher could do the same.

However, if he transforms into Venom, do you think they're gonna have him as CGI or as Topher in a suit? Exactly, CGI, because Venom as a normal human actor would not work in the slightest. That said, Venom is closer to the size of a normal man than Juggernaut, so it's not out of the question. Juggernaut being played by Vinnie Jones was cheap and stupid. Totally different comparisons.

Modern day X-Kids will do anything to justify it.

-AC

I agree with what somebody else posted, that the main villain has to be somebody else than Magneto. As much as I love Magneto, this first "Magneto" trilogy was perfectly wrapped up at the end with the chess scene, mimicking the end of the first movie. Maybe Magneto can still be in it, but maybe as a smaller villain or something.

I'm still liking my idea of a reduced-incarnation of Onslaught, but I'm also liking Apocalypse. The only thing is how can he be presented while still being kept within the toned-down realism world of the X-MEN movies? And I also wouldn't mind seeing again Sabretooth, Nightcrawler, or Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut. Mystique getting further revenge on Magneto would be great too.

Originally posted by systemshock2
I agree with what somebody else posted, that the main villain has to be somebody else than Magneto. As much as I love Magneto, this first "Magneto" trilogy was perfectly wrapped up at the end with the chess scene, mimicking the end of the first movie. Maybe Magneto can still be in it, but maybe as a smaller villain or something.

I'm still liking my idea of a reduced-incarnation of Onslaught, but I'm also liking Apocalypse. The only thing is how can he be presented while still being kept within the toned-down realism world of the X-MEN movies? And I also wouldn't mind seeing again Sabretooth, Nightcrawler, or Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut. Mystique getting further revenge on Magneto would be great too.

Sabretooth? The real one, or the one that looks like an unshaved hobo with all the vicious attitude of a house cat? Hopefully we see the one that almost killed Wolverine, not one that looks like he'll beg for change.

Also, why does it have to be toned down? It's a movie based on a comic, the point is escapism. If these directors are making the movies for people who will complain about lack of realism, then they shouldn't be making them. That's like going to see Spider-Man and saying "Nehhh, you can't climb walls."

-AC

There is no x men 4.

Oh and I forgot to add on mine that in X5, Apocalypse would create his horsemen, including changing Angel into Archangel.