Love/Hate

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Chaos and Order are based on Duality. They are opposites, yet need eachother to exist, the balance must be there.

However, Love and Hate do not need eachother to exist at all.

Here's my stance/beleif:

1) Every [B]individual person is capable of loving someone and hating someone.

2) Every individual person is capable of having feelings of love and hate at the same time for different people.

3)No Individual person is capable of having both love and hate for the same person at the same time

4) You can love a person one time in your life, and hate that same person later on in life. But you cannot hate and love that same person at the same time.

Any further objecting opinions? [/B]

shrug Close enough, in both our beliefs. Extremes, impossibility, just different view points. Doesn't change the fact that we are both men of intelligence.

Religious men divide because of details. And their effects resound throughout society. Men should not be men of religion to make these same mistakes, but rather men of faith. Because men of faith don't focus on what the others doing wrong, but what the other's doing right. 😄 Random quote of wisdom.

I see that my earlier idea of what "hate" meant in reference to the thread was off, so ill revise and say..

Hatred is just a reaction to a sensation that we don't like to feel within ourselves, such as anger.
It becomes "hate" when we blame that sensation on other people becuase we believe its their fualt.
There seems to be an infinite number of ways which people can be pissed off.... and an infinite number of things people blame it on. But what it comes down to is simple, blaming someone else for ones own problem, which of course makes the problem worse for yourself.

Whatever you want to call it, racism, self loathing, greed whatever, its still the same thing. The same victim mentality.... for example: my inability to accept my own feelings (feelings such as dissapointment, sadness, anger ect..) is your problem, not mine.

I don't think there is such a thing as "true hate"...
...just a very unhealthy state on non-understanding and constant reaction and blame. Hate is in essence a simple illusion that everyone falls for.

... there is a productive way to deal with anger and such feelings and a none productive way...hatred in whatever form is a non productive way... simple as that.

True love is much harder to define but involves true acceptance and understanding of oneself.

Love and hate are two different things, they are NOT an duality. Hate cannot be put in the same category as love. The absence of love does not = hate, there are many things you can be feeling.

Originally posted by goatstradamus
Love and hate are two different things, they are NOT an duality. Hate cannot be put in the same category as love. The absence of love does not = hate, there are many things you can be feeling.

😆 The first line got me....

Duality (or dualism)- The term dualism has a number of uses in the history of thinking. In a given domain of knowledge, the idea involves the existence of two fundamental classes of things, or principles, often in opposition to each other. In theology, dualism can refer the belief that there are two basic opposing principles, such as good, and evil. In philosophy of mind, dualism refers to the views that mind and matter are two ontologically separate entities.

Love and hate are opposites of each other. Therefore they're identification is based on the premise of dualism. Go back and read the last two pages (three?) pages of my understanding of love and hate. Then come back and refute my points. Love is more than just "accepting and understanding oneself". Because there is so much to love, love is greatly ranging. Here I go, dancing the dance again...

Actually I think it's love and fear that are opposites..........

Alright, for purposes of this thread, I think your right, its not possible to love and hate at the EXACT same moment..... unless your a crazy person...

But I still am not convinced that love and hate are a true oppisites... One reason is I don't think we have enough knowledge about what love actually is or isnt. Hate just seems so simple compared to it...and I guess thats a good reason for why they are oppisites, that is, one is simple and one complex....but still, it just does not sit right.... o well..

Originally posted by debbiejo
Actually I think it's love and fear that are opposites..........

The opposite of fear is courage (or bravery; whatever rocks your boat)

Originally posted by goatstradamus
Alright, for purposes of this thread, I think your right, its not possible to love and hate at the EXACT same moment..... unless your a crazy person...

But I still am not convinced that love and hate are a true oppisites... One reason is I don't think we have enough knowledge about what love actually is or isnt. Hate just seems so simple compared to it...and I guess thats a good reason for why they are oppisites, that is, one is simple and one complex....but still, it just does not sit right.... o well..

Your right to speculate. However I would consider it a safe conclusion to consider that love and hate are infact opposites...

Originally posted by AOR
The opposite of fear is courage (or bravery; whatever rocks your boat)

Your right to speculate. However I would consider it a safe conclusion to consider that love and hate are infact opposites...

I agree here. I do not think they can exist at the same time, in the same person, towards the same person.

however, I disagree with your Fear vs Courage deal. Courage is not the opposite of Fear, Courage is when you FACE your fear...

The FEAR HAS to exist for courage to come into play. The opposite of fear, is simply no fear (like indifference)

That's like saying "stupidity is the opposite of intelligence"...no ignorance is the opposite of intelligence. You can be very smart, and do stupid things...stupidity is going against your own intelligence, it's when you ignore your intelligent judgements and do something completely out of your own logic.

Intelligence is the gathering and accessing of knowledge, all knowledge possible. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, or the lack of desire to learn the knowledge....stupidity is when you have the knowledge already, but choose to go against it anyway.

Get it ?

Originally posted by AOR
The opposite of fear is courage (or bravery; whatever rocks your boat)

Your right to speculate. However I would consider it a safe conclusion to consider that love and hate are infact opposites...

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well if you think about it....Hate can come out of fear. Fear of not fitting in, of others, fear of being taken over/replaced (jealousy) ...etc....It seems people tend to hate things because on some level they fear them......

Not all hate comes from fear. Hate also comes out of disgust (for example, if you don't like the way someone looks and hate them for that)

Hate also comes out of Anger (revenge for example)

Hate is also taught (traditional homophobia or racism)

Check this:

The author Eckhart Tolle suggests that it is impossible to have a love/hate relationship when referring to true love... becuase true love cannot possibly turn into hate. True love has no oppisite becuase it is not an emotion. True love comes directly from "being".. that is, being in the present.

And..... what makes up what we falsely call a love/hate relationship is simply craving and reaction.

Woot!

if theres love, will there be hate?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I agree here. I do not think they can exist at the same time, in the same person, towards the same person.

however, I disagree with your Fear vs Courage deal. Courage is not the opposite of Fear, Courage is when you FACE your fear...

The FEAR HAS to exist for courage to come into play. The opposite of fear, is simply no fear (like indifference)

That's like saying "stupidity is the opposite of intelligence"...no ignorance is the opposite of intelligence. You can be very smart, and do stupid things...stupidity is going against your own intelligence, it's when you ignore your intelligent judgements and do something completely out of your own logic.

Intelligence is the gathering and accessing of knowledge, all knowledge possible. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, or the lack of desire to learn the knowledge....stupidity is when you have the knowledge already, but choose to go against it anyway.

Get it ?

Agreed completely 😄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Not all hate comes from fear. Hate also comes out of disgust (for example, if you don't like the way someone looks and hate them for that)

Hate also comes out of Anger (revenge for example)

Hate is also taught (traditional homophobia or racism)

Originally posted by debbiejo
Oh, disgust of what?........being different?.........and different effects you why?.........Comes down to "they are NOT like you".........sooooooo they are indifferent, not feeling, disgusting, not trustful, apprehensive, secluded, ...........IMO hate comes from fear of "not being excepted" in some part............... When you STOP worrying about being different........you get GREAT FREEDOM.................god, who wants to be all the same anyway............Isn't that like high school???

Are you arguing against me, cuz i cant tell ? ❌

You are completely misunderstanding my point. You said HATE comes from fear. that's only partially true.

I love diversity, I am all for variety, i duno who you are arguing against here..and you need to relax.✅ SERIOUSLY.......

DISGUST- 1) a bias reaction to something you do not recognize as "normal", "beautiful",etc.....2) Thinking something is ugly or sickening.

Disgust is definately a cause of Hate. Disgust is not voluntary...its definately negative, but it's not a voluntary thing. People get disgusted without actually knowing why they feel that way. Hate can develop from disgust, and does very often.

You think homophobes Hate gay people simply for religious reasons? Religionous TEACHING only PROMOTES HATE...it doesn't create it.

You think there's an ACTUAL FEAR of homophobes? There is only a FEAR of turning gay......

True homophobes hate gays simply because they think gays are disgusting....they will hardly ever admit that, but that's what it comes down to.

Other motivations for Hate are Anger, often religious/influential teaching.

Again, incase you didn't get it...i am NOT justifying Hate...i am telling you WHY HATE is caused.

I think you can love and hate a person at the sametime~ but hate is only misdirected passion........thumbs_up 😇

If we're talking about true love then I don't think it's possible for both to exist towards the same person. imo.

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin, both driven by passion.

Love and Hate cannot exist at the same time for the same person. They can either exist at different times for the same person, or at the same time for different people.

Can you be happy and sad at the same exact time for the same exact reason ?

Originally posted by Storm
Love and hate are two sides of the same coin, both driven by passion.

Originally posted by AOR
Doesn't change the fact that we are both men of intelligence.

Or neither.