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You still havent proven anything. Not a thing. How did you prove anything? Where?
All you've done is pat yourself on the back for your juvenile analysis, and say "my arguments rule!" The problem is they dont. They really dont. They dont even hold up. The safest argument in this case is that either NONE OF THE VERSIONS are definitive. Or that the 2004 are. What gives you objectivity? You are a conceited person with a passionate opinion on the subject. You call Lucas a moron. With the recklessly amateurish word choice you use, how in a million years could you ever fancy yourself objective?
I'm glad some dumb professor supposedly applauded you for your objectivity (and compliment that I'm willing to bet you metabolized wrong). But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
And, while we're at it, I'm not being rude, I'm just being "objective."
By the way, dont know if you realized but you too are "just another guy on killer movies Star Wars". That's all you are to me.
Last edited by EjkoUSC on Sep 6th, 2006 at 01:34 AM
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By the way I can only dream of frequenting this board as often as you do. Don't have the time. On the other hand I dont have an automatically condescending opinion of star wars fans who have the temerity to visit a friggin message board. That's your deal. If being a forum regular is supposed to be some signal of intellectual merit (which its not) then where does that leave you? Just another Star Wars forum visiter. That's all you are to me. That's all I am to you.
I just put up a quiz to change things up, and it seems you have nothing left to offer this discussion except for saying how much of an idiot you think I am. Dude it seems you're just looking for a fight. Leave me alone.
And are you trying to make ME look bad now or something?
I was NOT being condescending...read the post again. I said "no offence" and that it's "not quite the same" getting a personal opinion from a university philosophy professor as it is from some people on a sci-fi message board that don't even know me...If you truly are mature you would have no problem with that statement.
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Last edited by EPIIIBITES on Sep 6th, 2006 at 03:54 AM
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You dont need any help from me in coming off stupid. But what the heck, I'm a naturally helpful person.
And what's the point taking your quiz? You're looking for a quiz to correct with your "objective" answers. I think the problem here (at the base level) is that its becomingly more and more clear that you're wonderfully mis-using the word "objective" to support your arguments (and toot your own horn)
Here is my quiz for you first, only one question.
1) What does objective mean?
Answer it. Absorb the meaning and then for godssakes stop using it. Its embarassing and it really devalues everything you say. Anyone whose ever been through anything unique and personal (and everyone has) is entirely incapable of shedding an objective light on anything. We always bring our history and pre-conceptions with us in the judgment of literally everything we do and perceive. To imply that despite it all you got the objective skinny on any given subject, really does imply a God complex on your part. And an inadvertent (because you're too naive to mean it) disrespect to everyone on the board. So no, objectivity is not obtainable by man. And proving otherwise would be harder than pulling ears out of a gundark.
But you're too silly to be taken totally seriously. Anyone who thinks he claims victory just because he "claims" it first is a silly person. You're like those cats on aint it cool who always compete to be FIRST! on the message boards after a news posting (are you one of them?).
And just for Star Wars kicks here's a second question (what the heck)
2) What's your favorite episode? (There's no right or wrong answer. I'm not grading you)
"And try not to be an idiot about some old interviews from 97."
"Use your brain. Please."
"What kind of deprived childhood did you have if thats the case?"
You came back after a month just to look for someone to disagree with and pick a fight with right away? (and that's your tamest post!)
And you haven't even been to any other threads!!! You're just here to unload on someone you disagree with.
Seriously man...not cool.
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Last edited by EPIIIBITES on Sep 6th, 2006 at 04:24 AM
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I'm no no particular mood to disagree. I joined this topic because it sounded like an interesting topic. It was unfortunately started by someone who needed to be taken back down to planet Earth. Too bad I failed. Immaturity and Ignorance are tough acts to follow, you know? It is truly difficult to get through to the intellectually dyslexic.
I am sorry however that your ego cant take anything other than what your philosophy professor told you. I really am sorry for that, didnt know. He sounds like a brilliant and trustworthy judge of character.
But you're right I should have maybe just bit my tongue and let you feel like the self-congratulatory superguy that you are. What's the difference to me?
So what's your favorite episode chum? Lets talk Star Wars.
Last edited by EjkoUSC on Sep 6th, 2006 at 04:36 AM
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Yeah back in 97. How many e-dollars you wanna bet Lucas would say the latest version is the definitive? Was the fact that the 1997 versions werent put out on DVD (and never will be released again) a clear enough sign to you?
Well...I think it's the version he says is definitve the frist time he states it...the fact that he's decided to change his mind about what should constitute a definitve verion of the films is irrelevant.
He very capably made a decision in '97...therefore every release after that is just a re-edit of what has now been named the "final" and "complete" version (SE) of the Star Wars trilogy.
The SE is the first version of the trilogy that can claim to be "complete" and "finished"...nothing can take that away from it...not even its fickle creator.
My point is, to go back on something you say is definitve, is contradictory...otherwise why say something is the complete version of the films when you don't mean it?
I'm sure to Lucas, the latest versions of his films are what he prefers, but the decision he so capably made and the label he gave to his SE trilogy in 97 will forever stand.
I can compare it to giving in a resume for a one time only posistion...
You take your time, work on an a resume, and make the decision to hand it in. This is your opportunity to show them what you offer.
The company looks at you resume, but the decision to hire you doesn't fall in your favour.
You tell them:
"Actually, that's not my final version of my resume...THIS is."
Their reaction's gonna be:
"What?? This is what you handed in. You very capably made your resume for this job, and made the decision to hand it in...of course it's your final version...why should we believe what you're adding, now that you know our decision???
Our reaction to it, or anything else shouldn't change what your resume is.
If you had something to add (or take out) that was so important, you would have done it.
THIS is what you put forward as a representation of yourself and your skills...changing your mind now is just silly...I'm sure according to you, the new version of your resume is better, but you already gave us your complete resume...and that's what I'll consider to be the complete representation of youreslf and your skills"
......as is the SE a "final" and "complete" (in Lucas' words) representation of what he wanted his Star Wars Trilogy to be.
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Last edited by EPIIIBITES on Oct 5th, 2006 at 05:41 PM
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Well then I guess that makes Lucas a silly person. I guess that makes him contradictory. So what then? People "say things" all the time. Then they contradict themselves all the time. So why take Lucas's 97 claim as gospel and then not take all he has said since then as seriously? Simply cause he said it after?
He once said Owen was Obi-Wans brother. Later he says he's not. And the fact that Lucas cant change his mind only cause he's "the feeble creator"? The feeble creator? The feeble creator? Just think about that. What's so feeble about being the creator of the very subject we now spend so long discussing. I'd say hes an authority.
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