Originally posted by Starhawk
Him crushing it in his hand wasn't enough for you?
That was an astral image. A mental representation and nothing more. It wasnt the Phoenix Force, it wasnt Jean serving as a Phoenix host. It was standard Jean Grey mentally representing herself through the firebird image and getting defeated by Xavier. Thats no biggie. We all know Xavier had greater telepathy than a Phoenixless Jean Grey. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That was an astral image. A mental representation and nothing more. It wasnt the Phoenix Force, it wasnt Jean serving as a Phoenix host. It was standard Jean Grey mentally representing herself through the firebird image and getting defeated by Xavier. Thats no biggie. We all know Xavier had greater telepathy than a Phoenixless Jean Grey. 😬
No it wasn't, please provide a scan where it says that.
In Uncanny X-men in issues 354 and 355 Jean took on the name of Phoenix again and started manifesting her power as a bird like signature, however as stated, this was just in recognition to her history and was her way of signalling that she was no longer scared to explore her full potential.
Uncanny x-men 355
She was Phoenix only in name and costume at this point in time not a host as stated. Even if she had indeed become a host it was still YEARS AFTER the Onslaught Saga.(The scans even refers to the Onslaught Saga)
Originally posted by Starhawk
You still have yet to show me a scan from the issue where onslaught crushes it that states it's not the actual force itself. That's the only proof that matters, all else is irrelevant.
Nope. It is canon as stated on panel and in bios that Jean lost the Phoenix Force in that X-factor issue back in 1990. It is canon as i have shown that she did not receive the Phoenix Force again until a few years back in 2002. With that in mind your argument is redundant. You ASSUMED that it was the actual Phoenix Force despite:
a) The fact that Jean wasnt a host at that point (having lost the power many years before) and wasnt a host by by canon until 6 years later
b) They were in the astral plane and as such they could visuakize anything they could think of, anythig they wanted
With all that in mind you were totally unjustified to think that was the Phoenix Force and given what is stated on panel and in the official bios you are 100% conclusively incorrect on this point.
I have shown you scans showing that Jean wasnt Phoenix at the point. I have told you to go to OFFICIAL bios illustrating the point, you have nothing but your opinion on whats going on in that scene to come back at me with. Thats simply not good enough.
Originally posted by Starhawk
No i have what happened in that comic, Youa re the one who has to prove that it was not the Phoenix Force in that issue.
I have. Ive showed you on panel instances stating that Jean lost the Phoenix Force powers BEFORE that Onslaught issue and ive shown issues stating she didnt have them again till years AFTER that issue.
Ive also directed you to OFFICIAL bios supporting that point.
You have come back at me with nothing but your opinion. "No i know what happened in the comic, it was Phoenix" 😬
In light of what ive come up with thats really not good enough. Come up with some scans stating or demonstrating that that was the actual Phoenix Force as opposed to an astral representation a visualization, and then you can have the point. Until then you've lost and we both know it.
GS.. you're trying to convince someone who maintains that Starhawk, the character entered and manipulated the White Hot Room in the mid 90s, and that this puts him on par with Phoenix Jean Grey and that therefore he is an Omega mutant.
This is despite being shown scans that it was the White Room - a place where Protectors of the Universe, such as Quasar, go when they die, not the White Hot Room, that he only entered it because he had the Quantum bands, never "manipulated" the White Room, and only managed to break out of it because his power wasn't solely from the Quantum bands... And foremost despite that he was never labeled an Omega mutant...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
GS.. you're trying to convince someone who maintains that Starhawk, the character entered and manipulated the White Hot Room in the mid 90s, and that this puts him on par with Phoenix Jean Grey and that therefore he is an Omega mutant.This is despite being shown scans that it was the White Room - a place where Protectors of the Universe, such as Quasar, go when they die, not the White Hot Room, that he only entered it because he had the Quantum bands, never "manipulated" the White Room, and only managed to break out of it because his power wasn't solely from the Quantum bands... And foremost despite that he was never labeled an Omega mutant...
Seems like im wasting my time then! Lol
Originally posted by Starhawk
In the comic, Onslaught offers to reunite jean with the Phoenix if she will serve him, when she says no, he crushes it.And he would smash Legion or Cassandra Nova.
He does offer to reunite her with the Phoenix Force and as he does so a visualization is presented to illustrate his offer. It was a visual aid to help him tempt Jean to his side. Nowhere is it stated or depicted that that is anything but an astral representation:
Your mistake is in not taking into consideration, the fact that they were in the astral plane and therefore it was possible it was just a visualization
Your mistake was not acknowledging continuity that tells us that was not the Phoenix Force because Jean didnt have anything to do with it since she lost it in X-factor 65 and regained her host status in New X-men 120.
Go to Jean Greys bio, or go to the Phoenix Forces bio and please point out a reference to the Phoenix Force being crushed in Onslaughts hand.
Please find me a scan stating or demonstrating that that was the actual Phoenix Force and not a visualization presented by Onsluaght as a visual aid for his offer.
You wont find one. 🙂
Why? 😕
Visualization. 😉
Continuity contradicts you, on panel accounts provide you with no support. Youre on your own.
Originally posted by Starhawk
GS, you have no proof that it was not the real Phoenix Force.
Can you stop going on at each other its pushing other people out of the whole convo. if you want to fight so much make a thread where you do that alone.
(p.s. Theres no proof Onslaught can beat DP, plus where he "crushed" the phoenix force Jean Grey wasn't using it - look at the scans properly for once). 😒