Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Not exactly? It's not the same ballfied, it's not even the same ****ing sport.
more accurately in your analogy faith would hardly even be a sport
however scientific evidence of a soul is impossible due to its very nature
the only way you can believe in a soul is to have faith
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If a soul cannot be observed, then how do you know that it exists?
Well it is probably observed in one way or another, or else the idea would have never come into existence.
When I say testimonies of people I'm speaking of people who have had near death experiences which they claim to see some lady dressed in light beckoning them to golden gates or some ridiculous thing like that.
Or out of body experiences during major surgery.
Or visitations of deceased family or close friends in dreams.
These are the only evidence of souls we have and until we find another way to prove its existence, then that's what you have to deal with. Those who have experienced these things or similar things will believe in a non-corporal form we all have. People who believe these people's claims also believe.
However those of us who are skeptical and have not experienced something to change our minds will continue to think the opposite.
Originally posted by Marxman
Well it is probably observed in one way or another, or else the idea would have never come into existence.
If it is observable, it is quantifiable.
Originally posted by Marxman
When I say testimonies of people I'm speaking of people who have had near death experiences which they claim to see some lady dressed in light beckoning them to golden gates or some ridiculous thing like that.Or out of body experiences during major surgery.
Or visitations of deceased family or close friends in dreams.
These are the only evidence of souls we have and until we find another way to prove its existence, then that's what you have to deal with. Those who have experienced these things or similar things will believe in a non-corporal form we all have. People who believe these people's claims also believe.
However those of us who are skeptical and have not experienced something to change our minds will continue to think the opposite.
How is that evidence of a soul, and not some other phenomena?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How do you know that?
Yeah, people seem to think that there are somehow things that can not be found by scientific means. I don't understand that, though a concept like that might exist it can not be used in any debater. Why should god not be empirically observable?
People just use that to not have to support their bullshit views.
Originally posted by Storm
Back in 1907, Dr. Duncan MacDougall brought it upon himself to prove that a person' s soul could be measured, to the tune of approximately 21 grams lost at the moment of death. His results on changes in weight were far from consistent though.
...and have been proven wrong. Just the other day I was watching a TV show on the History Channel, and they had a segment on Dr. Duncan MacDougall. They showed how his methods where flawed.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If it is observable, it is quantifiable.How is that evidence of a soul, and not some other phenomena?
I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that's what someone who believes that uses as proof. You're misunderstanding me here. I don't believe in something called a soul. I believe shit like that are simply the mind working, nuerons firing and such (as you can probably tell I'm no scientist). My only purpose in this thread is to try and stop the round about debating that continually happens on these forums when it comes to religious views.
Originally posted by Marxman
My only purpose in this thread is to try and stop the round about debating that continually happens on these forums when it comes to religious views.
Then you need to address those who do not understand that making an unsubstantiated claim is not the same as making a sound argument.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Then you need to address those who do not understand that making an unsubstantiated claim is not the same as making a sound argument.
Hey but is either group going to stop doing it? I doubt it. I just wanted to make my point here because atheists seem to make a point of saying how Theists "evidence" is shit. I'm being the devil's advocate, so to speak.
Originally posted by Storm
Back in 1907, Dr. Duncan MacDougall brought it upon himself to prove that a person' s soul could be measured, to the tune of approximately 21 grams lost at the moment of death. His results on changes in weight were far from consistent though.