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Just how powerful was Solaris?
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Originally posted by masterbruce
what do I base it on?


well let's see, uber powerful beings like the JLA who were like Gods couldn't do squat to Solaris.

on the other hand, Galactus can't even take earth when he wanted to.

so you see, Galactus is pathetic.
No Earth = no Marvel basically.

On the other hand, one of the most advanced races in the universe couldn't do shit to Galactus (Skrulls).

So ya... stop basing Galactus off of his Earth visits.


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He's been weaker, in his miniseries and when he was downed by the Avengers + Thing + Reed + Strange


Or when the Keeper KO'ed him, or when he was trying to take Asgard.


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Originally posted by Endless Mike
He's been weaker, in his miniseries and when he was downed by the Avengers + Thing + Reed + Strange


...erm.

So he's lying now? He's never been so hungry as to require two heralds. And there's no doubt about how weak Galactus'd have to be after being drained damn-near-dry by annihilus.


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He's been weaker, in his miniseries and when he was downed by the Avengers + Thing + Reed + Strange
He was downed by his own Worldship...

Strange wasn't even their to my knowledge...


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Originally posted by bigbran
No Earth = no Marvel basically.

On the other hand, one of the most advanced races in the universe couldn't do shit to Galactus (Skrulls).

So ya... stop basing Galactus off of his Earth visits.


Actually, in conjunction with the Shiar, they killed Galactus (mind you it was also his own tech which had a hand in his undoing).


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Hungry Galactus >>> Solaris.

Full powered Galactus > e 2454 Solaris.


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Actually, in conjunction with the Shiar, they killed Galactus (mind you it was also his own tech which had a hand in his undoing).
Actually... they did nothing to him... he would have destroyed the Shi'ar if it weren't for Galactus's OWN WORLD SHIP. Galactus didn't get killed by nothing besides his own tech.

All they did was take down his little spaceship.


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Actually, in conjunction with the Shiar, they killed Galactus (mind you it was also his own tech which had a hand in his undoing).

Weren't you just talking about MY wording?


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...erm.

So he's lying now? He's never been so hungry as to require two heralds. And there's no doubt about how weak Galactus'd have to be after being drained damn-near-dry by annihilus.


yeah he's lying..just like heroes lie when they say "wow...that's the hardest I've ever been hit"


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Hungry Galactus >>> Solaris.



based on what exactly?


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Originally posted by masterbruce
yeah he's lying..just like heroes lie when they say "wow...that's the hardest I've ever been hit"
Did you read Annihilation first off?


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yeah he's lying..just like heroes lie when they say "wow...that's the hardest I've ever been hit"


He says that, after being cracked and broken by annihilus' drainings, and then proceeds to do something he's NEVER need to do; get two heralds.

If someone says 'that's the hardest I've ever been hit,' and then does something they've NEVER had to do - stay in the hospital for weeks on end - there's a good chance they weren't bluffing.

As for your second question? Feats.


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It does seem that SUperman prime if I'm not mistaken, powers all of the other superman. ALl of thier powers comes from him. The Superman all seemed pretty uber. Each far surpassing the current Superman. For like 800 centuries. That's a lot of power. so for solaris to even be a threat, he would have to be at least as powerful as a nearly full power Big G. For him to be any less doesn't make sense as Superman prime's power is too rediculous for him to be anything less.


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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It does seem that SUperman prime if I'm not mistaken, powers all of the other superman. ALl of thier powers comes from him. The Superman all seemed pretty uber. Each far surpassing the current Superman. For like 800 centuries. That's a lot of power. so for solaris to even be a threat, he would have to be at least as powerful as a nearly full power Big G. For him to be any less doesn't make sense as Superman prime's power is too rediculous for him to be anything less.


Full power? no

Galan'll smack down some scans if he hears you talking about Solaris or Superman prime being even CLOSE to a full-powered Galactus.


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It does seem that SUperman prime if I'm not mistaken, powers all of the other superman. ALl of thier powers comes from him. The Superman all seemed pretty uber. Each far surpassing the current Superman. For like 800 centuries. That's a lot of power. so for solaris to even be a threat, he would have to be at least as powerful as a nearly full power Big G. For him to be any less doesn't make sense as Superman prime's power is too rediculous for him to be anything less.

How do we know each Superman was more powerful than Kal-El? It sure as hell isn't by feats. rolling on floor laughing


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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Superman 1 Million was able to hold a galaxy back with his force vision


for like, the i millionth time, WHERE did this feat ever take place!!!???? as far as i know this is totally a forum propagated myth.

as far as solaris -- i've asked this same question, made a few solaris threads and gauntlet, but fact is no one really seems to know -- or seems to really respond.

by what can we gage his power? well, he battled the superman descendents for 1000s of years, killed loads of them AND loads of versions of the jla. some of the supermen had powers that would put them at thanos-level or above. the imp-supermen must have been pretty crazy-tough . . . the entire jla1M were crazy tough, and most on the forum think they would defeat odin en masse. (NOT something i'm completely convinced of . . .)

and what did solaris do?

basically he was crushing the whole jla1M + the big 7 + . . . well . . . pretty well every OTHER hero in the distant future, all of whom seem to be considerably more powerful than their contempory counterparts . . . all at the same time!! and that included magic based opponents like the future captain marvel. in fact, that climactic battle reminded me a lot of the time in coie where all the heroes made a rush at the weakened anti-monitor.

the only thing that really threatened him in the future was something he had to take a moment to analyze -- the ring. and he would have become immune to THAT as well, and wiped kyle out except kyle's nova attack was 'illogical' to the sun. he caused the star to go nova endangering the life of everyone in the system. it wasn't that the attack was too powerful, or that he couldn't deal with lantern, it was the illogical nature and surprise that beat him. he had defenses against the black hole and had gone nova in the past and suffered no harm. even after kyle's attack he was still alive, though how powerful is unknown. had kyle not surprised it, solaris would have kicked all their areses easily. could prime have beat him? would prime have been killed by the k-nite bullet?? supes 1M had the k-nite weakness so maybe prime did too -- least he didn't eradicate the weakness in his descendents.

all that goes to say . . . confused

obviously he had massive energy wielding abilities and was able to discover weaknesses in opponents and use those weaknesses. he could seemingly devise defenses against any attack in moments. physical power mattered nothing to him and no one was really able to do much that he couldn't analyze and counter -- except be illogical. if galactus met solaris, maybe HE'D be the one who was drained . . .?

his ability to battle and be on the verge of defeating all these uber-characters clearly seems to say he's at a 'cosmic' level. but just how high is tough to gage but i'd say at least avergage galactus. given the nature of solaris's powers, i wouldn't say galctus's beating him would be at all a certainty.


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for like, the i millionth time, WHERE did this feat ever take place!!!???? as far as i know this is totally a forum propagated myth.

It was in the JLA 1 Million 80 page Giant and it was half a galaxy. I posted the scan here a long time ago.


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Excellent post, Leonidas. I agree with everything you said.


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i have that 80-page book. the one where supes gets wiped out by the k-nite? where did it happen in there . . .? or were there 2 80-page books . . .? confused

nice to have you back, mon ami. wink


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i have that 80-page book. the one where supes gets wiped out by the k-nite? where did it happen in there . . .? or were there 2 80-page books . . .? confused

nice to have you back, mon ami. wink

It's in the same book. I believe it's the last story.


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