The misuse of ancient culturals in Conspiracy theory.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Aha-Men-Ptah was the name the Ancient Egyptians used for Atlantis.

This is known fact. Proven by people WHO CAN READ HEIROGLYPHS.

Funny Once again google "Aha-Men-Ptah" and the only references you will find in english are to conspiracy sites. And only 4 references in english at that!

So basically what you are saying is that this is a known fact but it cannot be referenced by a single know historian other than those found on :

www.howtosurvive2012.com

or

www.forumgarden.com

I, as well as others, find that ridiculous to believe.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
You cannot disprove their claims because you can not read Heiroglyphs. And neither can Kharma.

By your logic, than that is something that you cannot prove because you cannot read Heiroglyphs. That is silly. I studied Art History From a professor of art history who could read Heiroglyphics, and this never came up. Nor has it appeared in any books about ancient egypt by all the historians previous to your one example of a man who is not a historian at all.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
In fact, Kharma doesn't even know what Maurice Cotterell's profession is. He called him strictly a "Mathematician". This is false. He is a Scientist and an Engineer.

I welcome anyone to "google the man's name. A scientist maybe, an engineer and mathemitician admittedly. A historian, not even friken close.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Learn more about him. All you can do is try and disprove him as a credible person. Good luck with that because he has shown himself to be nothing but.

There is a reason why few support his theories, because they are tripe.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
And he isn't pushing an agenda. He's simply reporting his findings based on his own knowledge.

Not pushing an agenda? Who makes the money made from the books that he publishes?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
More than once I have seen people try to support their chosen conspiracy theory based on the interpretations of the writings or art history of said ancient by select minorities.

I encourage people who use these sources to study the sources themselves as opposed to just taking the word of those who also support your theories. If one chose to do that I believe you would better enrich both your understanding of history, and respect ancient cultures for what they were and what they did as opposed to a mythical portrayal of their knowledge or accomplishments.

I would also ask you to investigate the "so called experts" who have translated these texts and drawings for conspiracy sites. Investigate their training and credentials. I studied ancient cultures and art history for four years (and I continue to 15 years later) but I don't claim to be an expert. I am amused how many "experts" are out there and how often they seem to have no credentials whatsoever.

If aliens influenced ancient egyptian knowledge, I doubt they would have believed that "disease and death were not natural and inevitable, but caused by some malign influence which could use any agency, natural or invisible, and very often belonged to the invisible world..

If ancient cultures could predict the future, I would think that they would have been able to avoid (or at least foretold of) their own cultural demise.

If the atlantis of legend existed, how could such purported accurate records be kept of it's history, yet all it's technological wonders be lost? Or how could they just reappear now?

My point is, research isn't about just reading people who you already believe or just investigating information that already supports your predisposed beliefs, it's also investigating opposing ideas and most importantly researching the validity of your sources and the trail of breadcrumbs that brings them to thier final conclusions.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Funny Once again google "Aha-Men-Ptah" and the only references you will find in english are to conspiracy sites. And only 4 references in english at that!

I have also tried with a series of search engines. Here are my results.

Ask
http://uk.ask.com/web?q=Aha-Men-Ptah&qsrc=0&o=312&l=dir&dm=all

Yahoo
http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Aha-Men-Ptah&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8&meta=vc%3D

Windows Live Search
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Aha-Men-Ptah&mkt=en-gb&FORM=LVCP&go.x=12&go.y=9

Now, common results
www.howtosurvive2012.com
www.tesco.com/books/fiction
www.amazon.co.uk
www.electrobel.be/muzik/5731/aha_men_ptah
www.killermovies.com/forums/415480_54-world-war-3-new-world-order
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/

All these sites kept comming up, I'm sorry but they are a musicians band, book retailers, conspiracy sites or our very own KMC.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I have also tried with a series of search engines. Here are my results.

[b]Ask
http://uk.ask.com/web?q=Aha-Men-Ptah&qsrc=0&o=312&l=dir&dm=all

Yahoo
http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Aha-Men-Ptah&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8&meta=vc%3D

Windows Live Search
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Aha-Men-Ptah&mkt=en-gb&FORM=LVCP&go.x=12&go.y=9

Now, common results
www.howtosurvive2012.com
www.tesco.com/books/fiction
www.amazon.co.uk
www.electrobel.be/muzik/5731/aha_men_ptah
www.killermovies.com/forums/415480_54-world-war-3-new-world-order
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/

All these sites kept comming up, I'm sorry but they are a musicians band, book retailers, conspiracy sites or our very own KMC. [/B]

Well, we could argue all day about a name. But no name is as important as what it represents.

Exactly! So, now we have broken down your barrier...open up, tell us about the real NuclearWinter

How about I stay on my path, and you stay on yours? And we'll both continue to grow.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
How about I stay on my path, and you stay on yours? And we'll both continue to grow.

Ahh so you have something to hide...interesting that...what are you hiding from us? Seeing as I don't know your name may I call you Nuke? A sort of nickname.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Ahh so you have something to hide...interesting that...what are you hiding from us? Seeing as I don't know your name may I call you Nuke? A sort of nickname.

So, Nuke, what you hiding?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
So, Nuke, what you hiding?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Well, we could argue all day about a name. But no name is as important as what it represents.

We are not arguing a name. You stated:

Aha-Men-Ptah was the name the Ancient Egyptians used for Atlantis.

This is known fact. Proven by people WHO CAN READ HEIROGLYPHS.

But as a known fact, you think you'd be able to find it somewhere on the world wide web without referencing the aforementioned (and bogus) sites.

If it is an apparant fact, then why does either no one know about this or document this "fact". May I suggest because it is not a fact at all?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
May I suggest because it is not a fact at all?

You may suggest whatever you want. That doesn't make it true.

I'll go and do a search on the key words "Kharmadog's opinion" and see what I can dig up.

Most likely I will find 0 matches. lol. And so therefore Aha-Men-Ptah will be the winner.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go finish listening to my Prince cd.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
I'll go and do a search on the key words "Kharmadog's opinion" and see what I can dig up.

Most likely I will find 0 matches. lol. And so therefore Aha-Men-Ptah will be the winner.

If you are trying to make a point, you failed. It is not my opinon that the subject of your research is fraudulaunt. It's the stunning lack of evidence other than 4 conspiracy pages on the entire internet that make it seem so.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Have at it dawg. Don't let me stop you.

A second attempt at humor, and a second swing and a miss.

Interesting how you are trying to divert whatever attention you can against the main thrust of the argument. There is no evidence to what you claim as fact other than the writings of a mathematician/engineer whose works are ignored by the, seemingly entire, historical, anthropological and art historical communities.

Well again, I'll take 4 over 0 Kharma. Just my opinion though.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Well again, I'll take 4 over 0 Kharma. Just my opinion though.

First, you are equating the validitidy of your belief system against the frequecy of home many search results "Kharmadog's opinion" results in?

That says it all right there folks.

Secondly, if you type Kharmadog's opinion on google you get at least one result.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
First, you are equating the validitidy of your belief system against the frequecy of home many search results "Kharmadog's opinion" results in?

That says it all right there folks.

Secondly, if you type [b]Kharmadog's opinion on google you get at least one result. [/B]

Now Kharma, what did we talked about before? Didn't we talked about playing nice with others? Are you being rude to these people? Apologize now, or i'm un-inviting you to my slumber party!! 😠

Originally posted by KharmaDog
First, you are equating the validitidy of your belief system against the frequecy of home many search results "Kharmadog's opinion" results in?

That says it all right there folks.

Secondly, if you type [b]Kharmadog's opinion on google you get at least one result. [/B]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kharmadog%27s+opinion&btnG=Google+Search

Indeed!

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kharmadog%27s+opinion&btnG=Google+Search

Indeed!

There you go.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Well again, I'll take 4 over 0 Kharma. Just my opinion though.

In fact, if you click on the link that J-Beowulf provided you have 25 references to my opinon.

So if you thought you won at

Aha-Men-Ptah: 4 KharmaDog: 0

and that it was closer whn we showed that it was actually:

Aha-Men-Ptah: 4 KharmaDog: 1

I guess you now have to side with me now that it's:

KharmaDog: 25 Aha-Men-Ptah: 4

Originally posted by KharmaDog
There you go.

In fact, if you click on the link that J-Beowulf provided you have 25 references to my opinon.

So if you thought you won at

Aha-Men-Ptah: 4 KharmaDog: 0

and that it was closer whn we showed that it was actually:

Aha-Men-Ptah: 4 KharmaDog: 1

I guess you now have to side with me now that it's:

KharmaDog: 25 Aha-Men-Ptah: 4

lol. Alright KharmaDog I feel sorry for you so I'm going to let your supposed 25 result claim stand on it's own for now. After all, Kharmadog's opinion is something that many kids will be studying about in school for years to come.

However, just so you know, when I click on the link that J-Beo provided it still tells me that I get 0 results for your opinion.

But I can only cut a man down so far before I have to make sure he learned something from it and try and bring him back up. Unlike some people out there who do it for the pleasure.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
However, just so you know, when I click on the link that J-Beo provided it still tells me that I get 0 results for your opinion.

I am willing to bet that others will disagree.