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Eh, calling him an idiot is taking it a bit far, Capt. He never really insulted you....erm.

no he just implied I was a massvie fan boy who can't see reason........


so I really don't feel bad in the slightest I called it how I saw it.

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Niehter are standered equiptment for deadpool nor would they effect wendigo who has a superhuman healing factor........
Standered Equiptment? DP carries just about every gun you can ever imagine on a BAD day..... roll eyes (sarcastic)

seriously, you ARE underrating DP. Seeing as he can NOT get hit so he wouldn't ever have to tax out his HF, not to mention it takes a HELL OF A LOT to tax out DPs HF.

admit it Capt, there ARE street levelers who are on par with Wolverine roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Standered Equiptment? DP carries just about every gun you can ever imagine on a BAD day..... roll eyes (sarcastic)


Not really actaully. He holds a lot less guns then people like to think. His standered equptment is not any thing overly impressive to a 100 classer.

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seriously, you ARE underrating DP. Seeing as he can NOT get hit so he wouldn't ever have to tax out his HF, not to mention it takes a HELL OF A LOT to tax out DPs HF.


LOL DP got hit by the hulk and wendigo is faster. To say deadpool won't get hit is amazingly stupid. Wendigo is dam fast and will be landing hits on both wolevrine and deadpool.

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admit it Capt, there ARE street levelers who are on par with Wolverine roll eyes (sarcastic)


you being dumb again. You think my opinion comes from bias you could not be farther from the truth. It has nothing to do with bias it ahs to do with what the person was designed to accopmish. Logan is made to handle 100 class character he ahs the weapons and the bones. Deadpool does not have the weapons he needs nor does he have the unbreakable bones which would allows him to shrugg off such attack at a far faster pace. This has nothing to do with bias it has to do with what the characters can and can't do. Deadpool can not hurt wendigo while wolverine can. Now if you swich deadpool for sabertooth then it be a different story. Sabertooth would likly fair as well or better then wolevrine vs wendigo becuase he has the proper equiptment for the job


so don't assume im being bias when you know nothing of me or what I think.

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I wouldn't dismiss Deadpool as a non-factor, though he does have a very limited role in this fight. He probably can't harm Wendigo, but he may provide enough of a distraction for Wolverine to do his thing. The Weapon X team may earn about 4/10 wins this way, but Wendigo is too badass not to get the majority.

That said, now I have a bone to pick with you Mungi:

Ehem...
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
We go by the characters best showings here.


We do? In Sabretooth's best showing he whacked himself a Wendigo. Oh yeah, THAT was PIS right? So how does it work? Do we only go by the characters best showings here if they happen to be a certain nationality *coughcoughCanadiancough*, or is there some other way to tell which characters get to use their best showings and not be countered with the "PIS" argument?

I'm just sayin' is all...


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That said, now I have a bone to pick with you Mungi:

Ehem...

We do? In Sabretooth's best showing he whacked himself a Wendigo. Oh yeah, THAT was PIS right? So how does it work? Do we only go by the characters best showings here if they happen to be a certain nationality *coughcoughCanadiancough*, or is there some other way to tell which characters get to use their best showings and not be countered with the "PIS" argument?

I'm just sayin' is all...


Yes read the rules, and yes PIS does not count as per the rules again. You can easily distinquish between the two as some feats are completly out of a character power-set, the rules outline this. Actually Sabertooth is listed as a Canadian himself, so nice try. That Sabertooth feat contradicted what was earlier stated in the actual comics that the Wendigo can't be killed. Mauvais did it as he cut off the connection to the Gods of the Arctic which nearly killed Snowbird as well. She Hulk #16 showed Wendigo having his heart cut out and was still alive proving what Mauvais did is not possible without cutting the connection as he did.


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Wendigo 7/10

Logan will take less damage-agreed-Bones
Deadpool can do more tissue damge quicker
How? teamwork
Logan slices an opening in wendigo and Deadpool slips in a grenade-good for three wins
I think they make a good team here,and with some prep i could see them win the majority,With the Wendigo from the Recent She Hulk


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hmmmm on most occasions logan has what it takes to take wendigo down or make him run away on his own... perhaps wolverine wouldn't want to fight wendi alone and that's plenty understandible.. but lets not act as though a history between wolverine and wendi doesn't exist....

Wendi was faring worse off than logan in their three way with mauvais.
Wolverine's Koed wendigo by himself in 4 panels.
He Koed wendigo in his first appearance fairly easily though after the wendi had fought hulk for a bit.
He more than held his own against wendigo by himself until hulk broke it up in fanfare.
He ran wendigo off in Wolverine 129 even though wendi got the drop on him, he didn't have his admantium and he didn't even really have his claws but stubs instead.
He ran wendi off again in Wolverine 130 by lighting him on fire and hacking at him with an ax.
In wildthing 1/2 he fights off dozens of wendigo's along side hulk.
in Spiderman 8/9??? He take's all of wendigo's attacks, shruggs them off and backs wendigo down with a scream...
Hell even in the recent she hulk issue, wolverine DID end up fighting wendigo off and holding his own after she hulk went down fairly easily...

and then there's the kicker that Sabretooth, A character who wolverine can argueably beat nearly half the time turned wendigo into a fur coat... erm

Yes.. they DO have a history and NONE of it really looks good for the wendigo...


If this was a to the death, then wendi all the way..

but to a KO wolverine has his number more often than not.


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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes read the rules, and yes PIS does not count as per the rules again. You can easily distinquish between the two as some feats are completly out of a character power-set, the rules outline this. Actually Sabertooth is listed as a Canadian himself, so nice try. That Sabertooth feat contradicted what was earlier stated in the actual comics that the Wendigo can't be killed. Mauvais did it as he cut off the connection to the Gods of the Arctic which nearly killed Snowbird as well. She Hulk #16 showed Wendigo having his heart cut out and was still alive proving what Mauvais did is not possible without cutting the connection as he did.



In all fairness we don't really know that wendigo was killed.. we know that's what was implied by the story, but it's never outright said...

Perhaps sabretooth "thought" he killed wendigo, tore his skin off and left the rest for dead only for it to regenerate..

Perhaps he actually did pull it's heart out and again left it for dead, since we never saw how the fight ended and the aftermath, save a victorious sabretooth with a new fur coat it seems a bit outlandish to call the sabretooth victory PIS based on assumptions about the story that were never clearly stated or reavealed.


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Wendi was faring worse off than logan in their three way with mauvais.


That was because Wendigo was dying due to his connection of the Gods of the Artic was cut off. Same reason Snowbird was dying.

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Wolverine's Koed wendigo by himself in 4 panels.


If your talking avout UXM #140, he sneaked attacked him when he was about to eat and he recovered literally in a second koing Wolverine

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He Koed wendigo in his first appearance fairly easily though after the wendi had fought hulk for a bit.


With the help of the Hulk, come on now

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Originally posted by jinzin

He more than held his own against wendigo by himself until hulk broke it up in fanfare.


Wolverine's own words later said he did jack all

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He ran wendigo off in Wolverine 129 even though wendi got the drop on him, he didn't have his admantium and he didn't even really have his claws but stubs instead.


Wendigo wrecked Wolverine so bad he was out for the count for three days. He cut him in the eye with his bone claws and he left, then Wolverine used fire on him and then he ran away later. Ways which by the rules on this board do not count as wins as he can come back on his own power

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He ran wendi off again in Wolverine 130 by lighting him on fire and hacking at him with an ax.


The axe did nothing, it was the fire that did it, yet contradicts Wendigo's durability

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In wildthing 1/2 he fights off dozens of wendigo's along side hulk.


yeah and they all say they are getting over-powered, even Hulk made a comment and the fight didn't last long. He wasn't alone fighting them

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in Spiderman 8/9??? He take's all of wendigo's attacks, shruggs them off and backs wendigo down with a scream...


Meh! vastly weakened Wendigo as even bullets hurt him and that actually was a kind Wendigo.

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Hell even in the recent she hulk issue, wolverine DID end up fighting wendigo off and holding his own after she hulk went down fairly easily...


Actually we never saw them continuing to fight when She Hulk went out.

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and then there's the kicker that Sabretooth, A character who wolverine can argueably beat nearly half the time turned wendigo into a fur coat... erm


PIS, as I mentioned earlier not possible


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In all fairness we don't really know that wendigo was killed.. we know that's what was implied by the story, but it's never outright said...

Perhaps sabretooth "thought" he killed wendigo, tore his skin off and left the rest for dead only for it to regenerate..

Perhaps he actually did pull it's heart out and again left it for dead, since we never saw how the fight ended and the aftermath, save a victorious sabretooth with a new fur coat it seems a bit outlandish to call the sabretooth victory PIS based on assumptions about the story that were never clearly stated or reavealed.


Still PIS story, as wooden spikes impaling Sasquatch? Not when he has shown to take tank shells, armor pericing machine gun fire and 6 Deadpool grenades to the face with no harm.

Well considering how other people have had much more trouble dealing with Wendigo such as the combined might of Sasquatch/Hulk, Hulk/Captain Marvel, Alpha Flight w/Wolverine, etc. yet Sabertooth? yeah come on now.


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Originally posted by King_Mungi
That was because Wendigo was dying due to his connection of the Gods of the Artic was cut off. Same reason Snowbird was dying.

He was dying?

When did it say that? I'll accept that as the reason for his demise, but I don't remember it implying he was weakened or anything.



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If your talking avout UXM #140, he sneaked attacked him when he was about to eat and he recovered literally in a second koing Wolverine

I hardly consider it a sneak attack.. not much less than the one sasquatch got on wolverine.. laughing out loud

in any event logan showed he had what it takes to KO the big mofo.. and the only way wendigo was Koing wolvie was through a "sneak attack" roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Originally posted by King_Mungi
With the help of the Hulk, come on now

Which i thought I stated. confused



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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wolverine's own words later said he did jack all

How does being unable to neatralize wnedigo take away from the fact that he was holding him?


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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wendigo wrecked Wolverine so bad he was out for the count for three days. He cut him in the eye with his bone claws and he left, then Wolverine used fire on him and then he ran away later. Ways which by the rules on this board do not count as wins as he can come back on his own power
I don't recall arguing that wolverine wasn't messed up from the attack. confused

laughing out loud are you seriously trying to argue with that rationale?
So if batman's getting his ass handed to him by superman so badly he has to run away to recover and regroup, it's not a loss as long as he comes back? What the f**k?
I thought that only counts for BFR anyways.

and even so, he STILL ran away under his own power later... so he still lost. no expression

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
The axe did nothing, it was the fire that did it, yet contradicts Wendigo's durability
I don't recall wendigo being fireproof as part of his power set and as far as I've seen he's alway been suseptible to being cut up.


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Originally posted by King_Mungi
yeah and they all say they are getting over-powered, even Hulk made a comment and the fight didn't last lone. He wasn't alone fighting them

I din't say he was.. and them being overpowered by sheer number does not take away from the impressiveness of the feat... seriously are you just arguing for the sake of it here?



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Meh! vastly weakened Wendigo as even bullets hurt him and that actually was a kind Wendigo.


again what evidence is there that shows a wengio unable to be pierced?

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Actually we never saw them continuing to fight when She Hulk went out.


and yet there's battle damage after she recovers?
I suppose they were just redecorating their character designs..



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PIS, as I mentioned earlier not possible
well not the way you interpreted it, which isn't a fact by the way...

sabretooth beating wendigo is OBVIOUSLY possible..


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maybe he has no weapons that can hurt ol' Wendy, maybe. But saying he doesn't have the duribility to keep in this match, let alone the agility to not get hit...well, that's just BS


Co-signed as well.

Hell, DP's healing factor appears to be even better (faster, more efficient) than Wolverine's anyway.


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Still PIS story, as wooden spikes impaling Sasquatch? Not when he has shown to take tank shells, armor pericing machine gun fire and 6 Deadpool grenades to the face with no harm.

Well considering how other people have had much more trouble dealing with Wendigo such as the combined might of Sasquatch/Hulk, Hulk/Captain Marvel, Alpha Flight w/Wolverine, etc. yet Sabertooth? yeah come on now.
come on now what? as I've just shown wolverine on his lonesome seems to be quite the hefty handful for your white clad friend.. I like how all the times wendi's embarrassed don't count to you.. but whatever. In any case your rationale for calling sabretooth's victory over wendi doesn't stand...


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Co-signed as well.

Hell, DP's healing factor appears to be even better (faster, more efficient) than Wolverine's anyway.


yet he still gets stompped by heavy hitters..........

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yet he still gets stompped by heavy hitters..........
Capt, you grind my gears mad


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Capt, you grind my gears mad



ya and........ deadpools character is not designed to deal with heavy hitters........as shown when ever he fights them.......... Hell he had trouble with rhino........

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ya and........ deadpools character is not designed to deal with heavy hitters........as shown when ever he fights them.......... Hell he had trouble with rhino........
as stated before he only had problems with rhino that one time cus someone fxxked with his aim

afterwards he ownd rhino and a room full of other villians at 3-4 inches tall


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He was dying?

When did it say that? I'll accept that as the reason for his demise, but I don't remember it implying he was weakened or anything.


Yes as Mavauis cut off his power, Snowbird gets the same power from the Gods and she was on death's door to. Mauvais killed him by ripping out his heart, which in She Hulk #16 showed it didn't kill him there.

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I hardly consider it a sneak attack.. not much less than the one sasquatch got on wolverine.. laughing out loud

in any event logan showed he had what it takes to KO the big mofo.. and the only way wendigo was Koing wolvie was through a "sneak attack" roll eyes (sarcastic)


It was, he was about to eat the woman and child and Wolverine jumped him fron behind. Which in this fight won't happen. Point of that comment? as I have stated Sasquatch sneak attacked Wolverine in those fights.

For a split second, and no it wasn't a sneak attack as Wolverine knew he wouldn't be down for long and was running for the hills as he put it in the comics.

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Which i thought I stated. confused


You were implying Wolverine basically did it solo. If not ignore my earlier comment.

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How does being unable to neatralize wnedigo take away from the fact that he was holding him?


Holding him brefily, before Hulk steped in and ended it together.

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I don't recall arguing that wolverine wasn't messed up from the attack. confused

laughing out loud are you seriously trying to argue with that rationale?
So if batman's getting his ass handed to him by superman so badly he has to run away to recover and regroup, it's not a loss as long as he comes back? What the f**k?
I thought that only counts for BFR anyways.

and even so, he STILL ran away under his own power later... so he still lost. no expression


Yep as he is in the barn, Wolverine states it's been three days since he got there. EDIT: read that wrong, ignore.

Actually yes as per the rules of the board, it's not a battle field removal as they can come back on their own power. If Batman can actually hide from Superman good for him, but Wolverine was so badly damaged, such as his spine was exposed he was down for the count. 3 days to actually heal.

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I don't recall wendigo being fireproof as part of his power set and as far as I've seen he's alway been suseptible to being cut up.


Handbook entry

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I din't say he was.. and them being overpowered by sheer number does not take away from the impressiveness of the feat... seriously are you just arguing for the sake of it here?


The fight lasted literally for a minute as Dr.Strange cured all the Wendigo returning them back into scouts. Damn right, one minute fight with the help of others does not mean it's such an impressive fight.

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again what evidence is there that shows a wengio unable to be pierced?


Handbooks, and the fact stated that his body is protected by the Gods of the Artic where even blasts from Guardian do nothing. He has as stated demi-god durability.

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and yet there's battle damage after she recovers?
I suppose they were just redecorating their character designs..


Wolverine and Wendigo both had damage and both recovered quite instantly, so we have no idea how long She Hulk was actually out.

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well not the way you interpreted it, which isn't a fact by the way...

sabretooth beating wendigo is OBVIOUSLY possible..


A badly written comic which ignores power sets of characters already established are not used on this board

Hardly


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Yes read the rules, and yes PIS does not count as per the rules again. You can easily distinquish between the two as some feats are completly out of a character power-set, the rules outline this. Actually Sabertooth is listed as a Canadian himself, so nice try. That Sabertooth feat contradicted what was earlier stated in the actual comics that the Wendigo can't be killed. Mauvais did it as he cut off the connection to the Gods of the Arctic which nearly killed Snowbird as well. She Hulk #16 showed Wendigo having his heart cut out and was still alive proving what Mauvais did is not possible without cutting the connection as he did.


You're missing my point Mungi. I know the rules. What I am trying to say is that PIS is subjective to opinion.

Case in point:

You think Sabretooth killing Wendigo is PIS. I don't.

I think Sasquatch easily throwing a 250+ ton airplane when every official Marvel publication puts his strength in the 75-90 ton level is PIS. You don't. You use it as an example in almost every Sasquatch fight.

We can argue back and forth for days without convincing the other that our viewpoint is correct on either of these examples, so I'm not even going to bother. Sometimes we have to accept facts that may not agree with our preconceived expectations, and sometimes Canadians lose. Deal with it.

Speaking of Canadian, I don't remember Sabretooth's birthplace ever being revealed. You wouldn't happen to know the title and number of the issue in question off the top of your head would you?


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as stated before he only had problems with rhino that one time cus someone fxxked with his aim

afterwards he ownd rhino and a room full of other villians at 3-4 inches tall


wow whoopy..........rhino loses to every one and there mothers.......



when has deadpool with standered equptment ever put up a fight to a 100 class combatant?


hulk..........no he got stomped in contest of champions 2...............hmmm I don't recall deadpool ever putting up a fight vs a 10 class character. Maybe becuase he does not have the weapons or body structure that is needed to face them.........

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