Strength: Ganon has shown great strength, his greatest strength feat would be easily crushing the Fused Shadow in his hand, the Fused Shadow if you didn't know was an immensly powerful artifact.
Speed: Xemnas, tho Ganon is no slouch.
Durability: Ganon.
Magic: Ganon has much more ways to use his magic than Xemnas.
Reach: Ganon has some big ass arms, and has a sword that's bigger than a normal human.
Range: I think Xemnas' range may outshine Ganon's by a little.
Skill: Swordskill, even, whereas Xemnas focuses on athletic and quick strikes, Ganon has rock solid defense and power(you can't get thru his guard without doing something unorthodox). Magical skill, Ganon.
Experience: This one quite clearly goes to Ganon, he's like hundreds or thousands of years old.
Brutality: Ganon is pretty brutal and psychopathic when provoked.
Size: Don't think this matters but Ganon is like nine feet tall lol.
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That same Link tosses 10 ten Gorons on his ass. You said it yourself, TP Link is much stronger than any other Link. I also kinda chalk that shit up on massive PIS.
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Strength: Ganon has shown great strength, his greatest strength feat would be easily crushing the Fused Shadow in his hand, the Fused Shadow if you didn't know was an immensly powerful artifact.
Yes okay it's immensely powerful, that does not mean it's psyhically tough, look like an old peice of rubble anyways. Besides, his limit of srength was breaking those chains, as it clearl took all his might to do so.
Speed: Xemnas, tho Ganon is no slouch.
Doesn't matter how fast gannon is, Xemnas can Teleport
Durability: Ganon.
go on....more info, after all Xemnas was beaten up several times before the show down and he still had more hitpoints than any other Organization member. So i want to know what puts Ganon Ahead
Magic: Ganon has much more ways to use his magic than Xemnas.
Nothingness >>>>>>>> Magic
Reach: Ganon has some big ass arms, and has a sword that's bigger than a normal human.
Reach? matters vs a teleporter why?
Range: I think Xemnas' range may outshine Ganon's by a little.
I like how any fact where you admit Xemnas vs Ganon is a little, or there a comment how Ganon isn't far behind. None of that for Xemnas though
Skill: Swordskill, even, whereas Xemnas focuses on athletic and quick strikes, Ganon has rock solid defense and power(you can't get thru his guard without doing something unorthodox).
Teleporting is unorthadox, beside, Ganon would be way to slow to keep up with the lightning speed strikes of Xemnas
Magical skill: Ganon.
I need feats, sincei kind of think your a fanboy i'm not willing to go on your word. Xemnas was throwing skyscrapers using the power of nothingness, please, explain how Ganon > Xemnas here....
Experience: This one quite clearly goes to Ganon, he's like hundreds or thousands of years old.
True, but then Ganon will have never fought someone like Xemnas, so i can't see how that is relevent.
Brutality: Ganon is pretty brutal and psychopathic when provoked.
Ganon is easily more brutal. Xemnas doesn't even remember emotions. But then, why does this matter again?
Size: Don't think this matters but Ganon is like nine feet tall lol.
True, again, why is that relevent? I mean i could say, Xemnas has cooler hair, but then if he diesn't help him win not much point in saying it
1. It's an immensely powerful enchanted artifact, if it was so brittle then the Light Spirit when it attacked Midna would have shattered it, Ganon crushed it with one hand. Also, those chains I believe were likely mystical or enchanted, they were made by the Sages, who also made the sword that Ganon used, and you forget that Ganon was just brought back to life before breaking his chains, and then killed a Sage with a punch.
2. Ganon can teleport as well. He can also turn into intangible twilight material that moves quickly, tho he cannot attack in this form.
3. Ganon in OoT just got hacked by the MS by Link, collapsed his castle onto himself, only to emerge and turn into Ganon. In TP he fought Link while possessing Zelda, fought Link and Midna as Ganon, fought Midna who was using the full might of the Fused Shadows(it took a small fraction of their power to finish Zant via disintegration) and won, fought Link and Zelda(who was using Light Arrows) on horseback, then swordfought Link. In WW Valoo breathed fire on him, which in turn collapsed his fortress on himself, and was uninjured. Also, hitpoints are game mechanics, going by them is stupid.
4. Prove that. How does Xemnas' use of Nothingness match Ganon's phenomonal magical powers?
5. Ganon can tele also, and reach matters in all melee fights.
6. I agree, but Ganon can also tele. However, Link also has much faster strikes than Ganon, yet Ganon blocks every one of his blows. Ganon is not as slow as you think.
How's about you don't just assume I'm a fanboy because I disagree with you, okay prick? Ganon an inch from death destroyed the large room he was in and collapsed his castle, he brought Volvagia, a powerful dragon, back to life, he created a sentient being, Phantom Ganon(Xemnas DOES NOT create the Nobodies), he can tele, can become intangible, can fire electric blasts, create mini earthquakes with a punch using his magic(imagine what would happen if he channeled that punch and hit his enemy), and can shapeshift if need be. He also can create monsters, like Morpha, Barinade, and Gohma.
7. He has fought many different incarnations of Links, and has been in many sword duels, and has had much time to master his magical power.
8. Play God of War, then tell me brutality doesn't matter.
9. I just kinda felt like it.
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1. Try not to think, try to know what your talking about. The chains are not enchanted unless you can prove they are. So stop exaggerating Ganons feats. I didn't forget that and unless he was resurrected in a weakened state it makes no difference.
2. I don't recall seeing him teleport in a fight before. Xemnas can surround himself in a nothingness sphere, no attacks can break the sphere. He uses this in the fight Xemnas fight, in it he can also fly, but not attack.
3. All different events, and in no single one of those games are his feat of Durability beyond Xemnas's. Point being he was after all the punishment he took still more durable than anyone other of the Organization's members
4. Skyscraper throwing i would think proves he has more power than Ganon in magic/nothingness. Then he created his own realm using the power of kingdom hearts. If as the thread implies, he's using the power of kingdom heart purely to destroy Ganon, Ganon can't hope to win.
5. I fail to see how reach matter so someone who can teleport inside attack range. Xemnas teleports constantly, suggesting it is very simple for him to do so. Ganon rarely ever teleports, suggesting it is a difficult thing for him to do.
6. Xemnas has faster strikes than Link and duel wields, he'll be attacks more than twice as fast. Ganon is not that fast, simply put.
7. I am being honest with you, and i think that because you are involved in every ganon thread, and guess who's side your on most of the time....Plus you did make the Ganon respect thread, so your at least a loyal fan. No, but Xemnas can summon the nobodies, like when he was dying quickly after being hit by the power of light he summons well over 200 nobodies. Since he is not seen after creating those monster, we can presume it requires alot of energy to leave him in a weaken state, thus i don't see him doing it in battle. Also if he could do it in battle, why hasn't he before?
8. Xemnas has also obviously mastered his control of the nothingness.
9. Brutality doesn't matter. Infact it possible makes you weaker, as in so many things people say being calm and in control of yourself is much better than being in a rage e.i. being brutal
10. Okay, i feel like saying this. Xemnas is smaller and more numble, giving him yet another edge.
The Nothingness vs. Ganon's magic argument is probably not debatable since there's no hint that either is stronger than the other.
Xemnas created his own realm with the power of his Kingdom Hearts/Moon of Hearts that was comprised of countless hearts, even after its power was reduced. Ganon's invulnerability was taken out according to the OP...so the MS argument shouldn't even apply.
In this case Xemnas should take it. Xemnas's speed compared to Ganon's is like a turtle's speed compared to a hare's judging from the videos that've been posted. Not only that Xemnas teleports, creates clones of himself, become intangible, disappears and reappears at will and can traverse dimensions through portals. He could create thousands of projectiles surrounding the opponent at once and destroy them. Just pointing out a few things shown in the Xemnas video. Here's another video of Xemnas:
Though after all that Xemnas seems as good as he was before the fight. Tinker Bell saved Sora's life god knows how many times. It took the combined effort of two Keyblade warriors to put him down in the end, and even that was partially due to his superiority complex.
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I'll break apart Gears post right now, it'searly in the morning, I'll get to Remindme's word quilt later. Ganon in A Link to the Past completely corrupted the Sacred Realm(a place of pure light) into his own realm of pure darkness, that would match Xemnas' creation of his small realm I'd say. Ganon is not a turtle compared to Xemnas in speed, I have proven it over and over again that despite Ganon's size he is quite fast. Ganon can also tele dude, and Ganon can also prolong the amount of time it takes for him to reappear, his is superior. Creating clones of yourself is a useful ability, but Ganon logically should be able to do something that almost matches it, by summoning Phantom Ganon. He was able to instantly banish him to a pocket dimension in OoT, why should he not be able to instantly summon him? Ganon can also become intangible in TP, he turns into Twilight matter and is able to move at great speeds in that form, its only weakness is his inability to attack in that form. Ganon can seal things in dimensions like Phantom Ganon, and has been able to escape the Sacred Realm too many times to count. Ganon can do that thing in OoT that fires multiple blasts that home in on the target, but I admit that blast is kinda slow to use and wouldn't really benefit Ganon. About Xemnas being the same before the vid as he was after it, wtf? He had a big ass hole thru his chest, he just healed himself! About Tinker Bell saving Sora's life, you gotta love those gameplay mechanics huh?
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Logically Sora is by far weaker than any organization member unless you can say you beat them without healing
That is something you can appreciate in Zelda game, none of the healing nonesense, you got what life you got and you gotta make it work. Not saying i dislike kingdom hearts for it, but just saying it's a nice system.
It's Sora's Keyblade that pwnz villains with its immense power...discusses in Ansem Report 9 and in the secret ending in KH2...but Sora can summon it at will, just as Riku can summon his.
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Apparently in the next Kingdom Hearts Sequeal we learn alot more about the true powers of the keyblade. Just have to wait for the damn thing to be made
^That's very much true. In the KH2 secret ending the bald villain guy was easing his way through battling three Keyblade Warriors, raising mountains and creating tornadoes with hand signals whilst covering the world in chaos...performing elemental magic, making a dark clone of himself and using a Keyblade...while smiling the whole way through...oh God
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Yeah yeah lol...you're very correct on those points. ^^
I'm a member of KHInsider (I'm Meteora there) but I haven't been on the site for a long time...people were discussing a lot of things about the ending, like similarities and stuff...also notice the ending is called Sunset Horizon, and all the places in Twilight Town is Sunset something (Sunset Station, etc.) and the places are colored orange by the sun and the same clouds can be seen in the ending.
Oh cool meanings too. It was so annoying though hearing people say the blonde-haired kid was Roxas when it was revealed long ago (even before Final Mix came out) that the three knights were never-before seen characters.
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