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Short-ranged force is an oxymoron. The force is omnipresent.

As far as canon goes, G, C, S, N and T. Iirc, T is applied to clone wars cartoons and the upcoming live action series. The general application for canon is that it is canon unless superceded by a canon source of a higher level. IE, if a novel does not directly contradict a movie, it can generally be taken to be canon.

As far as the clone wars cartoon series goes, it fits G canon, but is exaggerated. Take it with a pinch of salt.

Oh, and Windu wins this.

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Short-ranged force is an oxymoron. The force is omnipresent.

As far as canon goes, G, C, S, N and T. Iirc, T is applied to clone wars cartoons and the upcoming live action series. The general application for canon is that it is canon unless superceded by a canon source of a higher level. IE, if a novel does not directly contradict a movie, it can generally be taken to be canon.

As far as the clone wars cartoon series goes, it fits G canon, but is exaggerated. Take it with a pinch of salt.

Oh, and Windu wins this.


Short range FORCE may be an oxymoron, but short range force ATTACK is not.

'Short range' describes the attack, not the force.

As far as levels of canon goes, that was already discussed. Except maybe for 't' canon.

But, the REAL question is - with Windu showings NONE of these abilities in the films, is this absence of evidence enough to prove an evidence of absence, and - therefore - have the films contradict the cartoons?


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So is Mace handicaped in this fight? Logan has adamantium and healing factor?


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Short range FORCE may be an oxymoron, but short range force ATTACK is not.

'Short range' describes the attack, not the force.

As far as levels of canon goes, that was already discussed. Except maybe for 't' canon.

But, the REAL question is - with Windu showings NONE of these abilities in the films, is this absence of evidence enough to prove an evidence of absence, and - therefore - have the films contradict the cartoons?


How short is short? 10yards? 5? 2inches?

I have seen an instance in which Yoda was saberless and avoided being hit by three othermasters wielding sabers. Might be ABC logic, but seeing that Yoda and Mace are not terribly far off in terms of force sensitivity, the same logic could apply here.

To be honest, the films do not exactly encapsulate a lot. The games, for instance, are canon. That is despite some feats going past what is seen in the films. A contradiction is only when film canon and other forms of canon are mutually exclusive, IE only one can be true. Clone wars does not contradict the films, and so it is canon.

As far as a lack of evidence goes, I still stand by the fact that everything in the clone wars cartoon was exaggerated. Meaning Windu would be able to accomplish all of that, but either not on such a large scale, or not in such a small timeframe. Anyone who has played through KOTOR 1 and 2 can already see that ancient sith and jedi had ridiculous feats, going by what we see in the films, but that Palpatine, arguably the best sith ever, lacked any feats going by the movies. I then take it to be that the movies set storyline boundaries, while the Eu and other canon expand on character boundaries.

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