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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Newjak
By real world sense I mean that I am not just treating these people as characters in a story but rather as real life breathing entities.
I can not believe there are shade's of grey.
I don't think killing someone is right for whatever reason.
A question, what would you do with Hitler if he wa super powerful and only you had the power to stop him. And he will go killing everyone across the planet?
Not trying to prove a point just interested.
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Oct 27th, 2007 08:15 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Entity
Killing one guilty to save countless innocents!
I'm sorry but there's just some times a hero needs to take a sin onto themselves for the greater good.
Some heroes understand that and thou they hate it they do what needs to be done.
Other heroes refuse to and countless innocent people will continue to die or just suffer needlessly for it.
Ok, lets say someone murders someone, to stop them from murdering, then who is the murderer? the guy who you call a "hero"!!!!! By that logic they sound much more like the villain they are trying to stop.
But of course it's contradictory anyway If you were doing something because you were concerned about the greater good, if morality meant something to this hero, then they wouldn't kill. They consider morality/greater good important so they sin??? That's not only illogical it's hypocritical because in killing someone to uphold their morals, all they have truly sacrificed is their own sense of morality.
In other words, in this case "For the greater Good" just means "I can try and justify what I know to be morally wrong"
But that's just my opinion
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Oct 27th, 2007 08:20 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by willRules
Ok, lets say someone murders someone, to stop them from murdering, then who is the murderer? the guy who you call a "hero"!!!!! By that logic they sound much more like the villain they are trying to stop.
But of course it's contradictory anyway If you were doing something because you were concerned about the greater good, if morality meant something to this hero, then they wouldn't kill. They consider morality/greater good important so they sin??? That's not only illogical it's hypocritical because in killing someone to uphold their morals, all they have truly sacrificed is their own sense of morality.
In other words, in this case "For the greater Good" just means "I can try and justify what I know to be morally wrong"
But that's just my opinion
Morally wrong or not its for the greater good.
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Oct 27th, 2007 08:32 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Switch 07
Morally wrong or not its for the greater good.
THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!
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Oct 27th, 2007 08:36 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by willRules
THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!
Yes, it does.
If I had to one person to save two, I would.
It's morally wrong, but for the greater good.
The lesser of two evils.
Oct 27th, 2007 08:40 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Citizen V
Yes, it does.
If I had to one person to save two, I would.
It's morally wrong, but for the greater good.
The lesser of two evils.
If you had to what?
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Oct 27th, 2007 08:47 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by llagrok
If you had to what?
co-sign ~haerrm~
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Oct 27th, 2007 08:48 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by llagrok
If you had to what?
Discombobulate.
Oct 27th, 2007 08:48 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
A true serial killer is mental as it is, and once caught, doesn't escape.
So ted Bundy wasn't a true serial killer?
Tell that to the women in Florida he killed after he escaped custody in Colorado.
He didn't escape a second time cause he's dead.
Berkowitz requested no parole because he found religion in prison. We can't expect every criminal to do the same though can we?
Gacy didn't escape because he was executed.
Fish also didn't escape cause he was executed.
Gaskins? executed
Burke? executed
Shankur? executed
Kudzinowski? executed
Etc.
Guess how many people the executed serial killers killed after they themselves were? 0
Bundy killed five after he was locked up. zero after his execution.
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Oct 27th, 2007 08:57 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Citizen V
Yes, it does.
If I had to one person to save two, I would.
It's morally wrong, but for the greater good.
The lesser of two evils.
Hey, I can empathise with it but it still makes no sense
wrong = greater good. That's not truly the greater good unless you take the greater good, water it down and punch it like a cheap prostitute. That's a cheap imitation of "the greater good"
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Oct 27th, 2007 08:57 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by willRules
Hey, I can empathise with it but it still makes no sense
wrong = greater good. That's not truly the greater good unless you take the greater good, water it down and punch it like a cheap prostitute. That's a cheap imitation of "the greater good" Guy kills 31, and will probably keep killing if he himself is not killed. Do you allow him to be killed?
If you answer no he kills 5 more. If you answer yes his killing spree ends permenantly.
What choice would you make?
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Oct 27th, 2007 09:01 PM
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I like seeing heroes die, not that big a fan of villains dying. At least not unless they've done something real big.
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Oct 27th, 2007 09:10 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Creshosk
Guy kills 31, and will probably keep killing if he himself is not killed. Do you allow him to be killed?
If you answer no he kills 5 more. If you answer yes his killing spree ends permenantly.
What choice would you make?
I don't know. I can't justify murder but at the same time I want to minimize the number of deaths. All I can do is pray for another solution to the circumstances I never said the choices were easy, all I'm saying is that murder is always wrong even if it seems like the rigth thing to do. Maybe in the situation you presented there is no right answer, only two wrong ones
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Oct 27th, 2007 09:12 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by willRules
I don't know. I can't justify murder but at the same time I want to minimize the number of deaths. All I can do is pray for another solution to the circumstances I never said the choices were easy, all I'm saying is that murder is always wrong even if it seems like the rigth thing to do. Maybe in the situation you presented there is no right answer, only two wrong ones The situation I presented happened. That was Ted Bundy. His first trial he was sentenced to imprisonment. He escaped and killed 4 college girls and a 12 year old girl. They caught him again and this time sentenced him to death. He hasn't killed since.
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Oct 27th, 2007 09:23 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Creshosk
The situation I presented happened. That was Ted Bundy. His first trial he was sentenced to imprisonment. He escaped and killed 4 college girls and a 12 year old girl. They caught him again and this time sentenced him to death. He hasn't killed since.
Well it's kinda hard to kill people once you've been killed yourself
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Oct 27th, 2007 09:27 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by willRules
Well it's kinda hard to kill people once you've been killed yourself Think on that for a moment.
That's the essence of this thread. The villians whom are killed, cannot kill again, until they're brought back.
The question then becomes, is killing a person to protect people as bad as killing a person for fun?
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Oct 27th, 2007 09:31 PM
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I think killing a person is wrong. Full stop.
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Oct 27th, 2007 10:09 PM
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Go black adam !!!!!! as long as teh real evil ppl die i am happy!
i hope they find that b*tch osama and kill him!
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Oct 27th, 2007 10:22 PM
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“There are risks and costs to a program of action, but they are far less than the long-range risks and costs of comfortable inaction”
JFK.
I think this quote applies in this situation, atleast this is how I see it.
Oct 27th, 2007 10:26 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Citizen V
“There are risks and costs to a program of action, but they are far less than the long-range risks and costs of comfortable inaction”
JFK.
I think this quote applies in this situation, atleast this is how I see it.
It's funny how you quoted an American president.
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