Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I did not say repeat: I said give link. There is a difference.
Here you go...and no...no link...I had to repeat myself.
Originally posted by dadudemon
In my religion, even atheists don't go to hell, so I don't share the belief of fear that you expressed above. The reasoning behind my choosing faith instead of atheism is more of a selfless reason...not selfish. I want to be with my family in the after life. It would be selfish of me to not try my best to be a good person even if it had nothing to do with faith.Think about it:
Would you like to err on the side of not believing that God is there?
or
Would you like to err on the side of believing that God is there?
Essentially, when I chose faith over atheism, I chose the latter because I would want to look back at my life, IF there is an afterlife, and see that I made the appropriate choice. If there really isn't an afterlife, it wouldn't matter because no one will be able to tell me I was wrong because I won't exit.
No one can prove that there is no afterlife...ever. Even though with my studies in physics, I could clearly see how our universe was created without needing a God, that still doesn't not prove he doesn't exist.
It doesn't harm me or those around me to live my life with only good faith-based intentions. I do not force my religion on others. I don't go out of my way or even try to find fault with negative religious belief systems, but I am not perfect and sometimes, my logic gets the better of my goals and I find fault with another's belief system. (See thread about the Phelps group getting sued.)
You chose atheism because you find it more logical to err on the side that a God doesn't exit. There is no problem with that. IF God does exist, and you erred on the side of believing he didn't, there is always forgiveness, right? (Which is why I almost chose atheism.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
Here you go...and no...no link...I had to repeat myself.
Thanks, but that did not answer my question.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Have you considered that the universe was NOT created?
When I said NOT created, I meant not created by any means: not by a god or by natural means. What if the universe is eternal? The big bang was just one event in an endless number of events.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Thanks, but that did not answer my question.When I said NOT created, I meant not created by any means: not by a god or by natural means. What if the universe is eternal? The big bang was just one event in an endless number of events.
I did answer that question in that post. If you are not familiar with that theory, why bother? It is really complex and irritatingly long to explain...maybe I can find a link on it. Basically, you are wanting to put in a position where I have to admit that I closed minded. I am not closed minded and I can't be put into that position.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I did answer that question in that post. If you are not familiar with that theory, why bother? It is really complex and irritatingly long to explain...maybe I can find a link on it. Basically, you are wanting to put in a position where I have to admit that I closed minded. I am not closed minded and I can't be put into that position.
It's not complicated, and I never said you were closed minded. 🙄
Please don't say what my intent is without asking me first.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It's not complicated, and I never said you were closed minded. 🙄Please don't say what my intent is without asking me first.
In his defense, you often don't say much and your meaning isn't always obvious, even though your point is usually sound enough. Brevity is the soul of wit, as they say, but it can lead to confusion as well.
are Heaven/Hell side effects of humans' inability to comprehend nothingness?
What do you mean by nothingness? By heaven and hell? While I'm tempted to go into the possible transcendent aspects of this, even just psychologically, I am intrigued by the question. For if "Nothingness" is the absence of sensory input, then the brain will create its own input. And whether "Heaven" or "Hell" materializes I would say depends on what's going on in that person's unconscious.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You need to meditate on the things we have talked about before you post next.I forgive you of you mistake. Just don't let it happen again.
No need for forgiveness. I simply think your point was incomplete.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
In his defense, you often don't say much and your meaning isn't always obvious, even though your point is usually sound enough. Brevity is the soul of wit, as they say, but it can lead to confusion as well.
I have a hard time saying what I mean because of two facts; I’m usually in a hurry and don’t have a lot of time, and I’m not a very good writer because of struggles with dyslexia.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No need for forgiveness. I simply think your point was incomplete.
You thought it was incomplete because you didn't read my long ass diatribe. Also, I was joking in my last post...I was trying to lighten the mood because it was getting too serious between us.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have a hard time saying what I mean because of two facts; I’m usually in a hurry and don’t have a lot of time, and I’m not a very good writer because of struggles with dyslexia.
You seem to do just fine though; whatever you are doing seems to be working.
Originally posted by Mindship
What do you mean by nothingness? By heaven and hell? While I'm tempted to go into the possible transcendent aspects of this, even just psychologically, I am intrigued by the question. For if "Nothingness" is the absence of sensory input, then the brain will create its own input. And whether "Heaven" or "Hell" materializes I would say depends on what's going on in that person's unconscious.
If there is no brain at all...then the nonexistent brain cannot create anything.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You thought it was incomplete because you didn't read my long ass diatribe. Also, I was joking in my last post...I was trying to lighten the mood because it was getting too serious between us.You seem to do just fine though; whatever you are doing seems to be working.
Thank you. 😄
Re: are Heaven/Hell side effects of humans' inability to comprehend nothingness?
Originally posted by Kumar
i think my opinion is fairly obvious at this point. Thoughts?
I think every human being can comprehend nothingness, they just dont want to. Heaven and hell is the result of something much greater than the lack of being able to comprehend something. Although, i believe in heaven and hell. I am willing to acknowledge i dont know anything. I dont know if there is a heaven and hell. It is very possible there is not. If there is no relevance to religion. Then Heaven and hell is the result of control and not humanities inability to comprehend nothingness. Humans can find a way to relate to anything and find ways to understand foriegn aspects of life.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But nothingness by definition would not exist.
The existence of nothing is still something....therefore nothing is something therefore nothing can be nothing.
Even if it means that nothing recognizes it as nothing, nothing is still something.
Nothing fails. 🙂
Also, if nothing existed for an eternity, no one would be around to say that it existed for eternity. If something could instantly appear in that nothingness...but still not break the rules of nothingness, meaning, it has a timeline perpendicular and infinitely small to the reality of nothingness, nothingness wouldn't be interrupted...indeed, an infinite number of perpendicular timelines could exist as far as nothingness's eternal perspective is concerned. In fact, an infinite numver of timelines could extend, perpendicular, but parallel to the nothingness timeline. Furthermore and infinite number of timelines could exist on one of the infinite timelines that exists on one of the time lines that exists on the nothingness time line. It could go on to an infinite number of timelines for each time lines...sort of like a fractal. Whose to say the dimensional limitations of the time lines? Do they have to be confined to the 1d space I have defined? NO!!! We could compound this nothingness by including the presence of an 11 dimensional set of physics.
Well, on topic: Are heaven and hell effects of this incomprehension? No, I don't really think so, they may be more like wish of fulfillment than anything else, that or maybe someone long time ago knew something and then mutilate it in heaven or hell, who knows.
I like the idea of nothingness, I like the logical void that it creates around death because men are supposed to think that nothing happens after death because the corpse doesn't move. "Look, it doesn't move, it must be pinned into nothingness!" Man, I don't even know how can scientists call that. I suppose that you define life around the ability to perceive things, to remember and all those things mortal. I think that the concept of nothingness is just the idea of men not knowing how to define existence without perception. After dying you lose the physical means to feel and to think, then even if you are still there you are plunged into nothingness, the nothingness of not feeling and never thinking again.
I think that the concept of nothingness is easy, imagine you cannot feel anything at all, and give yourself the added bonus of not being able to remember or make reason of your emptiness. I mean, really I don't see that as something to be scared off, at the end nothing happens. People are just clingy to their feelings thats all.