Originally posted by Mr Parker
Sorry but Devito was absolutely horrible in that role.Normally he is great in all his movies but he was just stupid in this movie.His line delivery was just horrible. as far as ledger,yeah I have a good feeling from the teaser trailer that he will have the personality of the joker,he certainly sounds joker like and like you said,has the perfect laugh and yeah maybe he will be so great in his role that we''ll forget about the grungy look.after all I wasnt thrilled with the look of the batmobile but the story and movie was so great that it made me forget about it and it was just an after thought.so hopefully Ledgers Joker will do the same thing.It just makes me so angry when a change is made to a comicbook movie that is unnessary like the look of joker and the look of penguin because even if I love the dark knight,I'll still know that it could have been even better with joker having the right look.
I disagree. DeVito visually looked just like the penguin and even acted like the peguin should act. He did a great job in my opinion. Voice-wise, too. Kinda sounded like romero's penguin friend from back in the 60's. Tim Burton probably did that as a nod. He also had some pretty memorable lines in that movie that he would so masterfully deliver like telling batman in his face "you don't really think you'll win, do you?" and so on. The pengiun contume design looked good, to me. But I remember that you had issues with the old Batman movies and Jack Nick's Joker and so on, i remember having a discussion a long while back with you about it that went on and on....
But this threads about jokers' look so with that i don't think i'm upset at all about the change. Even if it diverted from the comics. I look at it as just another Batman universe in the way comics have multiple batman universes. For example batman begins had that homeless guy kill Mr. Wayne senior. I saw that and was like wth? I prefered the '89 Batman scenario with joker offing Bruce's parents. That way was much more gripping. But you just learn to like it. Like the Batman Begins jokerless scene in the alleyway is now fine by me.
Well the Joker killing Batman's parents I think would have worked if Batman was a stand alone film because it would have tied up all the lose ends. I think that's why it was done was at the time they didn't know if it would be a success or not so they tried to tell all the story in that one bit of time. It was not wise because it diverted from the comic book origin too much I think but if you look at it strictly as a film I see why it was done.
Overall still no thrilled with the Fauxker.
Yeah the look is kind of troubling i've seen like two photos of heath as the joker where he looks really smart with slicked back hair and clean suit but with the same makeup but the ones doing the rounds in the magazines now are really messed up and even his makeup is more distressed looking. No doubt about it though Heath can act his socks off and so can Christain Bale so it won't be them that makes this movie bad it will be Nolans direction but i feel sorry for those two if this movie ends up sucking cause it will be their careers that suffer the most.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
For example batman begins had that homeless guy kill Mr. Wayne senior. I saw that and was like wth? I prefered the '89 Batman scenario with joker offing Bruce's parents. That way was much more gripping. But you just learn to like it. Like the Batman Begins jokerless scene in the alleyway is now fine by me.
Uh... you do know that Begins was going off the comics, in which Joe Chill killed Bruce's parents, right? 😑
That wasn't "less gripping", that was correct!
"Less gripping" is having them killed by the Joker so that they can make the story more personal when they finally face off in the climax of the Jokers brilliant scheme:.... to fistfight Batman in a bell-tower. 😛
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Uh... you do know that Begins was going off the comics, in which Joe Chill killed Bruce's parents, right? 😑That wasn't "less gripping", that was correct!
"Less gripping" is having them killed by the Joker so that they can make the story more personal when they finally face off in the climax of the Jokers brilliant scheme:.... to fistfight Batman in a bell-tower. 😛
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Uh... you do know that Begins was going off the comics, in which Joe Chill killed Bruce's parents, right? 😑That wasn't "less gripping", that was correct!
"Less gripping" is having them killed by the Joker so that they can make the story more personal when they finally face off in the climax of the Jokers brilliant scheme:.... to fistfight Batman in a bell-tower. 😛
Damn it...
THAT was darn funny.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Uh... you do know that Begins was going off the comics, in which Joe Chill killed Bruce's parents, right? 😑That wasn't "less gripping", that was correct!
"Less gripping" is having them killed by the Joker so that they can make the story more personal when they finally face off in the climax of the Jokers brilliant scheme:.... to fistfight Batman in a bell-tower. 😛
Oh. i didn't know that. About Joe Chill killing Bruce Wayne's parent in the comics. I just went by the '89 movie which still made for a gripping story. The Joker killing Mr. and Mrs. Wayne, in cold blood, in front of young Bruce Wayne. Can't get better than that. The comic should've been that way. Batman's animosity towards the Joker would've been greater that it normally is now in the comics.
And that wasn't Jokers scheme. It was really to escape and/or have Batman get beaten to death by one or a few of Joker's goons.
Yeah don't be so hard on the 89 movie and Joker killing his parents cause it was presented as a standalone movie it was a risk making comic book movies back in those days so no one knew it was going to do so well.
And Joe Chill in the Year Two stories teams up with Batman and they work together and Batman uses the gun that killed his parents and everything even manage to have a laugh it's ridicolous and such a terrible story i'm glad Nolan kept Chills part miniminal and got rid of him as soon as he could cause if he decided to follow the comics potrayal of Joe Chill we'd be in a whole world of hurt.
Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
I'm not scared of him I just want him to take a bath
Hes not going out on a date with you! Hes supposed to be creepy...gezzzz.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
so are all pleased with the look of the joker?what are your thoughts?
1.I love it
2.I hate it.
3.He's okay but could have been better,not near as bad as i thought he would look though.I can live with it.
I voted for number 3.His look isnt near as bad as I was thinking he was going to be from the first shots of Ledger but Im not too happy about the final look of him though.You can see his natural hair color brown in the photos underneath the green color and I dont understand why they have allowed that but he at least looks more like the joker than he looked in previous photos so i can live with it.
I still think that Ceasar Romero is the only actor who has really brought the true look of the joker from the comics to the big screen.You look at the photos of the joker from the comics and Romero when he played him back in the 60's and he is the only who who still screams Joker.I was hoping that would change with Ledger, that he would as well but it looks like Romero STILL is the only one who has come on the big screen where you say-wow thats the joker brought to life from the comics.Nicholson had the wrong build so you never felt that way with him and Ledger's hair style is all wrong and as i said,its part brown as well underneath the green.I just dont understand why Nolan decided on this look for Ledger. 😠 I'll be able to live with it though the same way I have adjusted to the batmobile and have been able to live with that.
Im actually gonna go for 3. I actually would prefer him to be a bit more cleaner and smart, but I dont give a **** really because its up to the director to create his own version of the Joker based on the comics, im pretty open-minded.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Im actually gonna go for 3. I actually would prefer him to be a bit more cleaner and smart, but I dont give a **** really because its up to the director to create his own version of the Joker based on the comics, im pretty open-minded.
I wasnt sure about how smart Joker would be, but seeing the trailer and the prologue, I believe this character is incredibly smart.
Originally posted by GGS
Yeah don't be so hard on the 89 movie and Joker killing his parents cause it was presented as a standalone movie it was a risk making comic book movies back in those days so no one knew it was going to do so well.And Joe Chill in the Year Two stories teams up with Batman and they work together and Batman uses the gun that killed his parents and everything even manage to have a laugh it's ridicolous and such a terrible story i'm glad Nolan kept Chills part miniminal and got rid of him as soon as he could cause if he decided to follow the comics potrayal of Joe Chill we'd be in a whole world of hurt.
👇 call the movie something else BESIDES batman then if your going to do something moronic like have joker kill his parents. 😠 and actually thats not true,the name BATMAN laone guaranteed it would be a huge box office success. 🙄
Originally posted by Mr Parker
👇 call the movie something else BESIDES batman then if your going to do something moronic like have joker kill his parents. 😠 and actually thats not true,the name BATMAN laone guaranteed it would be a huge box office success. 🙄
And the movie was still Batman even if they did that to tie up the lose ends.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
sure it did,people had been waiting ages for a batman movie to finally be made,you could have cast John candy in the role and it would have been the blockbuster it was.