what someone or something wants, claims or otherwise does not mean they are true, many beings through ficiton claim themselves invincible...they get destroyed, many call themselves all powerful or omnipotent, they get defeated etc etc
In the human world we know that yes, but what makes you think he will take the whole human universe? we know theres more in the human universe so for all we know it would have taken him far longer, all we know of Makai is that its one landmass, thats also called makai so once again for all we know when he says makai, it doesnt mean dimension, its far beyond Jedahs potentials to suddenly eat a dimension, all we see is him taking all the souls and giving them to the Shintai, ive seen Jedahs ending where he first awakens the baby and ive seen many things he says and he is no way an obvious universe (in the words of human sized universe) buster/eater
And yet, we've seen him create an entire dimension from nothing.
Saying that "Because we havn't seen it means it cannot be" is ludicrous to the extreme. it's like saying there is nothing beyond our own solar system besides stars because we havn't seen it. it gets debunked so fast even the Flash would get a headspin.
We KNOW there are planets beyond our system, we know there are far away galaxies in our universe, we know these things exist in Makai's universe otherwise they wouldn't have moons and stars in their sky.
when? ive only heard him creating it from Ozmodu (spelling) soul
Exactley, Makais universe, and all Jedah takes is Makai, also we dont know that because as Dark Jaxx said below, our universe does not seem to have a dimensional wall, its likely this is all Makai consists of in the dimension, otherwise it would not likely be a wall there would there....when Belial sends Demitri and his castle through the dimensional wall, doesnt Demitri end up in the human world? Earth?
Are you reffering to the boundries that exist bitween dimensions?
If so, then it doesn't matter because all dimensions are separate. each dimension is it's own existance, but each existance is infinite in it's mass and volume, where it not so, then there would have to be an edge of the universe, and as far as any modern science dictates, there is no boundry of tangibility.
The only boundry that exists is different planes of existance (IE: different dimensions of reality)
Proof of your estimation of Makai's true size please, your basing your entire argument on a few snapshots of ending we see in Darkstalkers games, yet we see no tangioble barrier besides interdimensional boundries, which can hold unlimited phiscal mass and volume.
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Majigen... he created a separate, yet linked dimension to Makai in order to create an arena to harvest Makai's souls, not a bad plan considering the power levels he has to deal with (Pyron et all).
Read above... neither f you know the physics behind what a Universe actually is...
I can't beleive I have to explain what this actually is...
Thats what he used Ozmodu soul for....so not without resources, i.E, its not much of a feat in a way, also the dimension consists of
also rules in real life do not have to effect rules in a ficion, since Makai consists of one landmass, also called Makai, theres no way of knowing if it goes beyond, especially if its dimensional barrier is at the edges of this plane of land in which case, theres nothing beyond a dimensional barrier except more dimensions which are not Makai.
either way this is irrelevent, Jedah has only taken the souls of the landmass of Makai
now you have to explain what you meant by bringing him up eating a few billion souls and giving them to the Shintai because its irrelevent, Jedah is not a dimension destroyer and but a creator he is, of tiny little dimnesions consisting of what is it? just his castle..lmao....hes pathetic.
Nice strawman, and a copout, you cannot fight physics so you resort to using "Oh but videogame logic dictates this and this..." without any evidence at all...
Thats not what the endings and stories say at all, thank you very much.
When Jedah was done, win or lose, he destroys majigen, I'm sorry, but a dimension is a dimension plain and simple since NOBODY can prove otherwise.
You want evidence that videogame fictions can be diffrent to the real world?
Show me then, it says he takes the souls of Makai....
I thot you said he destroys Makai? not his Majigen and yes a dimnesion is a dimension, you just have to point out what it consists of thats all, Majigen Jedahs little castle, Makai is one plane etc etc
No... I want evidence that this insance is case in point of what you claim, since nowhere does it state that a dimension is smaller or larger than that of any other. This is indeed true for ANY fiction, nobody can quantify the size of a dimension, it IS impossible.
Where did I dispute this? I said can you quantify Makai's size we have no way of knowing how many souls Makai holds,
If he succeeds, then the destruction of Majigen draws in all the souls of Makai at once. That was his plan.
Heh... You obviously have never played DS3 by any stretch of the imagination...
Well because they say the dimensional barrier is around the world of Makai, which is several times the size of Earth
yes we can, its 14 billion or something if Jedah takes the animals souls as well
ive never played Darkstalkers no, that doesnt mean anyone loses teh debate, i dont think half the people in this forum have played LOK, DMC GOW yet they debate it, and their welcome to because in the end its you who has to provide the proof from DS to make your claim.
everything ive said is correct so far, Majigen holds only Jedahs caslte and maybe the Shintai?
I seem to know more on it than you do, since you dont know the size of Makai
What do you mean byt that? I never made such a ridiculous claim as "Makai dimension is the size of a planet" or Majigen is just a castle". The one who must prove such claims are yourselves, your challenging a universal law my friend, I'm merely reinforcing it, not making a wild claim and using it to lower a feats impressiveness like you are.
Lol, not to mention every fighting arena in DC3... Nice try though, where is your evidence?
It's never been confirmed or proven by anyone, you know more than me without having to play the games? thats arrogance at it's absolute finest BT. Don't insult me...
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Dimensional Wall surrounding Makai? Last I checked, it was a Miasma, that's not a dimensional wall...
And another thing, were are people getting these size comparisons form? I haven't read anything saying that Makai was the size of a continent or the Majigen is just a castle.
For all we know Makai could be the size of Chicago or the universes, we just don't know.
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maybe it is Miasma then, hmmm....well ime sure Makai has a dimensional wall as well somewhere.......otherwise it would be linked to other dimensions completly
The main land within makai, yes, thats all the proof required to know thats the whole landmass, its not a dimension afterall, if it is, then a landmass is all that the dimesion is, so i was correct
No, it says the Mainland of Makai, you dont say the Mainland of the unvierse is America do you? you dont say the mainland of the unvierse is the British isles, we dont say the mainland of the unvierse is Earth even......
therefore Makai is a world or technically just a very large continenet, I.E this place its talking about is the continent of Makais mainland......ime 100% correct
#1: How does that translate to "it's the mainland, therefore it's the only thing to exist in it's universe" Quite a remarkable leap of logic there Burning...
#2: %100 correct in assumption maybe, just because the Miasma prevents travel, does that man that it's a DIMENSIONAL boundry? of course it doesn't, the only barrioer that exists in that sense is the fact that it's a different plane of existance. just because the Miasma is there, does not mean that nothing exists within or beyond it, thats a wild and totally unfounded claim.
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