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Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
1. Chill off.

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2. I have a tendancy to read the first post, and then type in my opinion.

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If someone else has an alternate opinion, I ask them why, and then give the logical reason for my opinion. I am not going to read the entire thread before posting, as if i was to do this at, say, the ROTS kenobi vs Maul thread, I would find myself reading fifteen long pages of you arguing against noobaris or the like.

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I went back to read what you said, and you posted some essay on sideous by some nerd. Plubius is not a cannon source. I do not see anything he says there that he has sourced or substantiated, although I recognise a quote or two that I recognise from dssb.

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Originally posted by Publius
While this statement may be true, it remains baseless supposition. The facts of the matter are that Freedon Nadd "has knowledge of" the disciplines described in the Tales of the Jedi Sourcebook, and certain unknown others found in "ancient Holocrons and tomes" (which remain undefined, and are therefore worthless in concrete terms); in contrast, Palpatine "has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure." On the basis of these two statements, the probability is that if Nadd knew of a discipline, Palpatine has probably mastered it ("nearly all the known powers"). If Nadd did not know if it, Palpatine has probably mastered it ("previously unknown powers"). If Nadd never imagined it, Palpatine may well have invented it ("and devises new ones at his pleasure"). (Dark Empire Sourcebook)

The evidence does not support the suggestion that Freedon Nadd had access to greater stores of knowledge than Palpatine. Freedon Nadd never even achieved the rank of Jedi Knight; the Dark Empire Sourcebook calls Palpatine a Jedi Master. The distinction is not insignificant: Revenge of the Sith reveals that a Jedi's access to Holocrons was restricted by rank (hence Anakin Skywalker's outrage that he was denied the rank of Jedi Master -- without it, he could not access the Temple's most valuable Holocrons to search for a way to save Lady Amidala's life). Nadd trained for some unspecified time under the reigning Jen'ari, Naga Sadow, but did not finish his training, and scavenged Sithian artifacts from various ruins; his training was restricted to incomplete terms under the Jedi and Imperial Sith, with whatever trinkets he could find along the way.

Palpatine, in contrast, had access to the Sith Archives (Episode I Journal: Darth Maul); his lair in the Chancellor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center had "archives, Sith Holocrons, and other artifacts," an "environmentally controlled display case for Sith Scrolls," and a "massive Sith Holocron uncovered on Korriban" (Complete Locations). The Imperial Citadel on Byss was equipped with "a full library of Dark Side texts for the master's personal study" (Dark Empire Sourcebook), and he was said to have spent "decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines" (id.). He gained access to all of the Temple's holocrons, including the "restricted holocrons" with "the deepest secrets of the greatest Masters of the Force" (Revenge of the Sith), which even included "the only known [to the Jedi] Sith Holocrons, whose very existence is revealed only to a handful of Jedi at the highest levels" (Attack of the Clones: The Visual Dictionary), and he went on to seize Bodo Baas's holocron from Master Jedi Ashka Boda (Dark Empire). Palpatine "gathered the greatest works of knowledge from over a million worlds" and "studied the Force in all its guises throughout the galaxy, whether it was the shamanism of the Jarvashqiine or the tales of the Tyia," so that he "had long ago gone beyond any knowledge to be found in the recovered teachings of the Krath or the Heresiarchs" (Dark Empire Sourcebook) , and is known to have "studied [the Sorcerers of Tund] prior to their destruction" (The New Essential Guide to Characters). He recruited those who "had already mastered the unique sorceries of their own species" as his dark side adepts "as much to study their knowledge as to train them in his" (Dark Empire Sourcebook ).

The evidence is quite clear. Palpatine's study of the Force is the most in-depth and wide-ranging ever seen in the whole of the canon, literally embracing millions of worlds and cultural traditions well outside the range of the Jedi and the Sith (both the Ordinal Sith and the Imperial Sith). No other character is known to have spent such effort and such time to the collection and integration of such a vast store of knowledge -- what's more, Palpatine is known to have been active in his studies, integrating and refining the wildly varying cultures into his "Science of Darkness," documenting much in his Dark Side Compendium (in fact, it is known that Palpatine's writings were sufficiently thorough that reading one of his books could give one a working knowledge of alchemy andits application to biological engineering).

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Originally posted by Gideon
You probably meant "chill out", and normally I would forgive you for your error, but my religion forces me to persecute morons.

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Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Catholic?

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Originally posted by Gideon
task-free life would have allowed you to come to that conclusion all on your own.

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...Everything "bolded" is a source. Publius is legendary for being one of the very select few who always has a source for his claim. Perhaps you would do well to increase your reading ability; it's my understanding that "Hooked On Phonics" can be purchased at any major store.

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Originally posted by Gideon
You probably meant "chill out", and normally I would forgive you for your error, but my religion forces me to persecute morons.



That's your prerogative, but when you ask stupid questions like "how da eff is Sidious teh most knowledgeable?" -- a question that had already been answered on this thread -- my patience wears thin. It isn't our obligation to answer every damn question for you when taking five minutes out of your clearly task-free life would have allowed you to come to that conclusion all on your own.



Except this is what? A three page thread? Not exactly the same animal, and unless you have some problem with literacy or a deficiency regarding your attention span, you really don't have any excuse.



You, my friend, give idiocy a bad name. Morons all over the world are putting their heads in their hands, embarrassed by your soon-to-be-legendary ignorance. I'm going to point this out for you once and only once.




...Everything "bolded" is a source. Publius is legendary for being one of the very select few who always has a source for his claim. Perhaps you would do well to increase your reading ability; it's my understanding that "Hooked On Phonics" can be purchased at any major store.

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Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
wow. you are an idiot.

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Originally posted by... wait a minute! Holy shit! You posted this, in the very same diatribe
I am not trying to lure you into an insult fight (which seems to be the only thing you can accomplish; why not try debating sans insults?)

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I have a problem with time. I just don't have enough of it. I am often on this in boring pauses in my job.

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once again, I did not read your sycophantic reference to some nerd. And as you yourself has said, The hooked on phonics line is so original...

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Honestly, I did not read your nerd's reference all the way through, as i was taxed for time, i skimmed it. I am not trying to lure you into an insult fight (which seems to be the only thing you can accomplish; why not try debating sans insults?) I asked an innocent and simple question that did not require an essay to answer.

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Originally posted by Gideon
Stop bitching and move on; you've lost.

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Originally posted by Gideon
I said "morons". Not "everybody". Or "the whole ****ing world".

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Originally posted by Lord Tyranus
Got something against Catholics do we?

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Originally posted by Gideon
Yes, that's it. I'm impressed, can't slip anything past you... perhaps a career in criminal investigation would suit your powers of observation best?

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Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
I wonder what's next, Gideon being a Sith Lawd in disguise?

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Originally posted by Gideon
Yes, that's it. I'm impressed, can't slip anything past you... perhaps a career in criminal investigation would suit your powers of observation best?

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Originally posted by Gideon
Nonsense. Allow Capta -- or rather -- Detective Obvious to come to this conclusion on his own.