well, summons are ninja tools like nin-dogs are so sasuke abusing manda in that way was legal.
plus the fact that his genjutsu worked on the king of snakes at such dire seconds, AND was able to fend off itachi's mangekyo genjutsu means that sasuke is a strong-high speed fighter.
you have to acknowledge that.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, summons are ninja tools like nin-dogs are so sasuke abusing manda in that way was legal.plus the fact that his genjutsu worked on the king of snakes at such dire seconds, AND was able to fend off itachi's mangekyo genjutsu means that sasuke is a strong-high speed fighter.
you have to acknowledge that.
I agree because summoning Manda at the end of a high level fight(Deidara is not a weakling) is NOT a low level feat by any stretch of the imagination. Sasuke has to have a pretty good chakra supply. He is a genius tactician as well.
Sasuke's abilities were being inflated so much because he had to take over the role of the ultimate enemy.
I estimate that we will see the Pein/Madara arc wrapped up soon and then we will start the "Sasuke is God" arc. hmm
Originally posted by psycho gundamThe only part that can be acknowledged is Manda....The whole Itachi fight can't be used to gauge Sasuke's power. Itachi wasn't trying anything except to make Sasuke loose his chakra so Itachi could kill Orochimaru before his own death. Deidara is the only fight he's got a real win in but that's only because Deidara couldn't do anything to him because Sasuke could cancel it all out.
well, summons are ninja tools like nin-dogs are so sasuke abusing manda in that way was legal.plus the fact that his genjutsu worked on the king of snakes at such dire seconds, AND was able to fend off itachi's mangekyo genjutsu means that sasuke is a strong-high speed fighter.
you have to acknowledge that.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
umm..gaara comes to mind. sasuke got upstaged by naruto in that fight,
I said starting with Naruto in the SR arc.
and the sharingan copies jutsu/movements so to say that sasuke is jobbed to....weird.
What does that have to do with... anything?
out of all the characters, the closest one that can be considered the most jobbed to is naruto. he farted into kiba's face, and owned the third hokage in the first chapter with the sexy no jutsu.
The Kiba vs. Naruto fight was PIS, but they were both tired and were for the most part on equal terms. The hokage thing was obviously comedic, the first few episodes are stated already generally were. So outside of deliberate comedy, we've seen people seriously job to Naruto... once?
In the Kiba fight if anything Naruto was dumbed down. Since when does he need to concentrate to spam shadow clone when any other time it's instant. Well then again I guess his chakra was being messed with because of the seal Oro used but.
None of those clones were anywhere near fast enough to actually get pass the shield though I wonder if having hundreds coming at once would get at least one of them past it. Course then there is the sand armor he'd have to get past, and dodging the sand coffin. Also since Rasengan doesn't pierce like the Chidori I don't think that would work. Which makes me wonder. Gaara was able to block the needles that were supposedly able to pierce through solid steel yet Chidori cut through it easily. Wonder what Chidori's limit would be?
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I said starting with Naruto in the SR arc.What does that have to do with... anything?
The Kiba vs. Naruto fight was PIS, but they were both tired and were for the most part on equal terms. The hokage thing was obviously comedic, the first few episodes are stated already generally were. So outside of deliberate comedy, we've seen people seriously job to Naruto... once?
kiba
kimmimaro - BIG TIME
neji
kakuzu
Originally posted by psycho gundamKimimaro was beating him....how was that jobbing?
kiba
kimmimaro - BIG TIME
neji
kakuzu
Neji the only thing problem with that was why didn't Neji see him tunneling. Though Neji being a cocky idiot probably wouldn't assume Naruto was able to stay up after while seeing a body.
Kakuzu yea he did...but who hasn't fallen for Naruto's shadow clone jutsu at least once? Besides Sasuke that is. Even Kakashi at the beginning of Shippuden was.
Why does everybody say the Kiba fight had Kiba job? When did Kiba do anything to make himself seem strong? He's cocky, and thinks he's the strongest on his team but he's still one of the weakest of the rookie 9. Even during the Sasuke Retrieval arc he did the worst against his opponent. Actually has Kiba actually ever won any fight? Maybe I'm just not seeing something.....
Originally posted by psycho gundam
kiba
That's PIS, not jobbing.
kimmimaro - BIG TIMEKimmimaro beat his ass. He didn't job at all.
neji
Neji didn't job, he was just outsmarted, tricked by the Kage Bunshin. He didn't act in a way contrary to his normal self.
kakuzu
Same thing. Outsmarted. It's not like he was, ya know, on incredibly sick or weakened when he fought, or he planned on dying before the fight even started, not like some people.
Are you aware of what jobbing actually is?
jobbing was coined from professional wrestling, it is when the supposed better wrestler is written to lose to to an underdog to uplift their popularity and status. i know what i means.
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kimmimaro could have killed naruto long before lee arrived.
kimi is comparable to current sasuke in many ways.
neji jobbed big time, he could have onshotted naruto at anytime.
look at what he did to hinata.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
jobbing was coined from professional wrestling, it is when the supposed better wrestler is written to lose to to an underdog to uplift their popularity and status. i know what i means.
Jobbing is when a character acts unnaturally/uncharacteristically weak against another character...
kimmimaro could have killed naruto long before lee arrived.[/qute]Prove it. Naruto created tons of clones.
[quote]neji jobbed big time, he could have onshotted naruto at anytime.
look at what he did to hinata.
Prove it. Neji did his all time most powerful attack, the 64 palms. It wouldn't of mattered though. Naruto's regen abilities >> Anything Neji can dish out.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Jobbing is when a character acts unnaturally/uncharacteristically weak against another character...because of the powers that be. (writers and such)
Prove it. Neji did his all time most powerful attack, the 64 palms. It wouldn't of mattered though. Naruto's regen abilities >> Anything Neji can dish out.
i never said naruto can't take a hit, he just won the fight in a inexplicable way.
-how did naruto get all that thrust from underground? he can't fly.
-and how did he know how far to dig to be in the perfect position to ko neji? he lacks byakugan.
-plus when did naruto start digging anyway? negi had his eyes on him the whole time, looks like naruto developed ninja art: leech all creation mid battle, thats an S-rank jutsu. or was it
that sand burial that kakashi, diedara, and tobi know? either way it was a wtf moment.
He could have used the chakra to repel himself like the tree climbing thing.
How does Kakashi know where a person is when he uses the Earth Style technique where he goes underground and isn't using his sharingan?
Though Neji not seeing him is weird but Neji was also overly cocky back then and saw a body. He probably wouldn't look underground after seeing Naruto on the ground.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
[B]i never said naruto can't take a hit, he just won the fight in a inexplicable way.
Which isn't jobbing.
-how did Naruto get all that thrust from underground? he can't fly.How do you know he didn't push off of something or use his chakra? He is super human.
-and how did he know how far to dig to be in the perfect position to ko neji? he lacks byakugan.
How does Kakashi know? Even with the sharingan, it doesn't see through solid objects, so he has no way of guessing.
-plus when did naruto start digging anyway? negi had his eyes on him the whole time,
False. As soon as the explosion happened both were stunned momentarily. Neji took his eyes off of him during the explosion. More then enough time, especially if you're, again, super human.
And none of that is jobbing, so I don't see the point. Neji's cocky'ness had nothing to do with it. He looked int ot he pit, saw Naruto laying there as a crumpled mess and thought it was over. He was just deceived.