KMC Members-
We all have biases, and I am no different. But, however, some topics can only be stretched so far. The hyperlink, to the video I posted is one example. It is my humble opinion, that everyone -- EVERYONE! -- on the entire forum can and/or could relate. Why?! Because we are human; we are -- for the Agnostics and others -- "products" of truth, not "the end all be all." Follow the hyperlink, and all persons will have mutual "understanding" of the video. Why?! Again, we are human, and we are part of -- if I dare state -- God's purpose. We instinctively know this; but other such views have distorted our concept of truth -- being created by God.
That is my opinion, and it is based on the Bible! Research and study has allowed me to except these truths, no matter how unpleasant! Emotion is not the answer. That is my view, folks. Their is no need to be controversial and/or silly! Simply give the presentation by Billy Graham a fait watch!! Period!!!
And, obviously, you are free to make your own opinion. All I have seen, on this thread, so far, are "peripheral" comments, that have almost nothing to do with the core message of Billy Graham.
Why can't we consider, for a moment, that your consciences confirms that we -- including myself -- have sinned against God?! And, only pure, long-lasting happiness (in life), is only possible, by excepting the fact that we are sinners, who have served our on purpose (despite God); and to serve God in repentance and fear, not to mention love?!
Many assume God does not love you; but that is totally not true. Hence, Jesus the Christ. What do you guys think??!
Originally posted by ushomefree
KMC Members-We all have biases, and I am no different. But, however, some topics can only be stretched so far. The hyperlink, to the video I posted is one example. It is my humble opinion, that everyone -- EVERYONE! -- on the entire forum can and/or could relate. Why?! Because we are human; we are -- for the Agnostics and others -- "products" of truth, not "the end all be all." Follow the hyperlink, and all persons will have mutual "understanding" of the video. Why?! Again, we are human, and we are part of -- if I dare state -- God's purpose. We instinctively know this; but other such views have distorted our concept of truth -- being created by God.
That is my opinion, and it is based on the Bible! Research and study has allowed me to except these truths, no matter how unpleasant! Emotion is not the answer. That is my view, folks. Their is no need to be controversial and/or silly! Simply give the presentation by Billy Graham a fait watch!! Period!!!
And, obviously, you are free to make your own opinion. All I have seen, on this thread, so far, are "peripheral" comments, that have almost nothing to do with the core message of Billy Graham.
Why can't we consider, for a moment, that your consciences confirms that we -- including myself -- have sinned against God?! And, only pure, long-lasting happiness (in life), is only possible, by excepting the fact that we are sinners, who have served our on purpose (despite God); and to serve God in repentance and fear, not to mention love?!
Many assume God does not love you; but that is totally not true. Hence, Jesus the Christ. What do you guys think??!
I think, people who mistake themselves so close to Heaven that they think the Gates are at the end of their garden path...are going to hell!
Originally posted by ushomefree
KMC Members-We all have biases, and I am no different. But, however, some topics can only be stretched so far. The hyperlink, to the video I posted is one example. It is my humble opinion, that everyone -- EVERYONE! -- on the entire forum can and/or could relate. Why?! Because we are human; we are -- for the Agnostics and others -- "products" of truth, not "the end all be all." Follow the hyperlink, and all persons will have mutual "understanding" of the video. Why?! Again, we are human, and we are part of -- if I dare state -- God's purpose. We instinctively know this; but other such views have distorted our concept of truth -- being created by God.
There's no good reason to assume that everyone will react the same way to the video. We may all be human but there are still huge differences between people. If you seriously believe in free will for humanity you cannot make the argument we'll all do something simply "because we're human".
Originally posted by ushomefree
Why can't we consider, for a moment, that your consciences confirms that we -- including myself -- have sinned against God?!
I did as a kid. It seemed like a strange concept. As an adult it still does.
Originally posted by ushomefree
And, only pure, long-lasting happiness (in life), is only possible, by excepting the fact that we are sinners, who have served our on purpose (despite God); and to serve God in repentance and fear, not to mention love?!
Faith in God (in fact in various different gods/Gods) has helped people get through certain sicknesses. On the other hand just about everything we can credit as giving us long lasting life and many of the things that give us happiness are quite material.
As for serving with repentance, fear and love . . . that's a modern D/s relationship and certainly isn't for everyone (though it can be absolutely wonderful for the right people).
Originally posted by ushomefree
Many assume God does not love you; but that is totally not true. Hence, Jesus the Christ. What do you guys think??!
I think that's a belief many people find fulfilling but that people have equivalent beliefs.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's no good reason to assume that everyone will react the same way to the video. We may all be human but there are still huge differences between people. If you seriously believe in free will for humanity you cannot make the argument we'll all do something simply "because we're human".
I am not talking about free-will and either does Billy Graham during his video presentation. The point is, "instinctively" all human beings understand the concept of sin. And we experience sin committed against us (as individuals), not to mention, others. What one choses to do with that experience and knowledge is entirely different. Life is tough, and it brings great pains in some cases. The human condition, in lieu of technology, has not gotten any better! Sure, technology has helped of survive; but not "live" better, happier lives. In fact, it has done the complete opposite. We have learned to live without God; and so, man is not happy. Man, according to the Bible, was created to have a relationship with God. And I think that is true. Only some, however, are willing to admit that (or even consider it) deep within themselves. Instead, they search other more "pleasant truths," and I am guilty of that at times.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I did as a kid. It seemed like a strange concept. As an adult it still does.
Join the club; according to the Bible, man is corrupt. Regardless, living for God, and not yourself, would help put things into greater perspective, especially being indwelled with the Holy Spirt -- being a new creation.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Faith in God (in fact in various different gods/Gods) has helped people get through certain sicknesses. On the other hand just about everything we can credit as giving us long lasting life and many of the things that give us happiness are quite material.
Absolutely! I'm not saying that man hasn't benefited from technology. What I am saying is this: technology does not bring "joy" into one's life, only a relationship with God can. Look... our generation has seen the best of what science and technology has to bring -- so far. Yet, man is just a primitive and just as "unfulfilled" in life as generations past. We feel empty -- something is missing. Technology has done nothing but cured disease(s) and allowed persons to walk after amputations. Technology, is other words, has not improved the "quality" of life, only added survival. And whatever happiness -- not joy -- brings, it is merely temporal.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
As for serving with repentance, fear and love . . . that's a modern D/s relationship and certainly isn't for everyone (though it can be absolutely wonderful for the right people).
You are wrong, in my opinion. It is for everyone, but some people just do not care, and that is all there is to it. They do not focus on the matter and/or search within themselves for the truth -- God, the source of joy and meaning in life. Instead, life is all about themselves, end of story.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think that's a belief many people find fulfilling but that people have equivalent beliefs.
I can concede this point; but such is temporal. Unless, they are participating (and worshipping) in the truth. Otherwise, they will covert in the long run. Some people, however, will never convert due to social and political implications. But they know themselves; and they know the flaws in their faith.
Originally posted by ushomefree
I am not talking about free-will and either does Billy Graham during his video presentation. The point is, "instinctively" all human beings understand the concept of sin. And we experience sin committed against us (as individuals), not to mention, others. What one choses to do with that experience and knowledge is entirely different. Life is tough, and it brings great pains in some cases. The human condition, in lieu of technology, has not gotten any better! Sure, technology has helped of survive; but not "live" better, happier lives. In fact, it has done the complete opposite. We have learned to live without God; and so, man is not happy. Man, according to the Bible, was created to have a relationship with God. And I think that is true. Only some, however, are willing to admit that (or even consider it) deep within themselves. Instead, they search other more "pleasant truths," and I am guilty of that at times.
You don't actually know any of that. People have different systems of beliefs that are ingrained into them. Certain things cross cultural boundaries but many Biblical laws do not show up in other cultures.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Join the club; according to the Bible, man is corrupt. Regardless, living for God, and not yourself, would help put things into greater perspective, especially being indwelled with the Holy Spirt -- being a new creation.
I disagree. Besides you can pick just about anything and "live for it" to gain a great amount of fulfillment in life. People do just that every day all over the world but spiritual thought (also pretty much everywhere) condemns that form of fulfillment which isn't really that different.
Originally posted by ushomefree
We feel empty -- something is missing.
No, you feel empty and that something is missing without God. That's fine, and the feeling that something is missing is probably almost universal but there are many things that can fill it just as well.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Technology has done nothing but cured disease(s) and allowed persons to walk after amputations. Technology, is other words, has not improved the "quality" of life, only added survival. And whatever happiness -- not joy -- brings, it is merely temporal.
Ask any amputee that regained the ability to walk and they'll tell you that having that power vastly increases quality of life.
Originally posted by ushomefree
You are wrong, in my opinion. It is for everyone, but some people just do not care, and that is all there is to it. They do not focus on the matter and/or search within themselves for the truth -- God, the source of joy and meaning in life. Instead, life is all about themselves, end of story.
Actually there are people that do not live for themselves at all. I know of at least two people in particular that choose to live completely for another person rather than themselves. By all accounts it is quite fulfilling. Others devote themselves to humanity (medical researchers), others to God (you), others to Allah (Muslims), others to history (artists and performers). None is actually more or less fulfilling, though living for one's self alone tends to be self destructive.
Originally posted by ushomefree
I can concede this point; but such is temporal. Unless, they are participating (and worshipping) in the truth. Otherwise, they will covert in the long run. Some people, however, will never convert due to social and political implications. But they know themselves; and they know the flaws in their faith.
But you never know who has the truth until it's too late anyway.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You don't actually know any of that. People have different systems of beliefs that are ingrained into them. Certain things cross cultural boundaries but many Biblical laws do not show up in other cultures.
Provide an example.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I disagree. Besides you can pick just about anything and "live for it" to gain a great amount of fulfillment in life. People do just that every day all over the world but spiritual thought (also pretty much everywhere) condemns that form of fulfillment which isn't really that different.
How?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No, you feel empty and that something is missing without God. That's fine, and the feeling that something is missing is probably almost universal but there are many things that can fill it just as well.
Like what?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Ask any amputee that regained the ability to walk and they'll tell you that having that power vastly increases quality of life.
Sure... such provides the ability to survive -- even happiness; but it does not provide joy and fulfillment of life. Even they question God (and their sinful nature). Plastic doesn't change that.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually there are people that do not live for themselves at all. I know of at least two people in particular that choose to live completely for another person rather than themselves. By all accounts it is quite fulfilling. Others devote themselves to humanity (medical researchers), others to God (you), others to Allah (Muslims), others to history (artists and performers). None is actually more or less fulfilling, though living for one's self alone tends to be self destructive.
We all have ambitions in life. However, they do not fill the void when it comes to spiritual needs. All man is aware of their Creator. Being Michael Phelps does not dismiss that.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But you never know who has the truth until it's too late anyway.
Or you could study, pray and find the truth. Such is not subjective. Most religions are based on culture, heritage and/or emotion. Otherwise, I understand your point.
I'm not the source of all truth; but people know where they stand with God, especially in faith. Ask an atheist about that. They were so-called happy their entire lives; but when push came to shove, they wanted something bigger then themselves -- something to provide comfort. And this "something" supersedes all life accomplishments. How can this be?
Originally posted by ushomefree
...I'm not the source of all truth; but people know where they stand with God, especially in faith. Ask an atheist about that. They were so-called happy their entire lives; but when push came to shove, they wanted something bigger then themselves -- something to provide comfort. And this "something" supersedes all life accomplishments. How can this be?
Simply put, we are all born, and we all had a mother. When we grow up and loose our mother, we long for that comfort that we were born into.