never read any Constantine comics, how smart is he?
the film didn't really demonstrate much in the way of wits for any of the characters involved (Satan and his son being irredeemably stupid, as seems to be the norm in films).
You're assuming Doom goes all out and pulls out all the stops. He'll probably underestimate John, see the scraggly appearance, chain-smoking, and worn trenchcoat and assume he's dealing with some schmuck and act accordingly. When people underestimate John (which happens all the time) it doesn't end well for them, just ask the First of the Fallen.
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Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
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Hence why he sends Doombots to do his work for him while he goes back to his studies. He doesn't fear manipulating John's universal timeline for it is not his own.
That is if Doom travelled into Constantine's universe through some kind of portal.
Right because Doom totally breaks out the time machine every time he has to deal with some vagrant in a trenchcoat. He'll probably end up blowing off his prep time polishing his armor and practicing his speeches.
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“Where the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
For arguments sakes lets say both combatants happened to exist in the same reality the whole time.
Wouldn't Doom be fully aware of John's reputation? especially with Lucifer/Satan who hates Constantine probably turn up one day during Doom's Astral meditations and say -
"Doom, I know you want your mother's soul back! How about we make a deal. Kill John Constantine and I'll release the petty witch's soul! That bastard gave me the finger."
Doom sends Doombots back in time while polishing his armour.
I don't think so. Just basic knowledge of who he is. Not even John's friends (or enemies for that matter) know much about him. John's greatest asset is his ability to make and use more powerful friends and I can totally see John striking up a friendship with Reed Richards (or more likely Johnny Storm who he gets addicted to cigarettes) and getting the Fantastic Four at his back.
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“Where the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
John turns up to the Baxter Building. Walks into the foyer and up to the holographic desk.
Desk: Welcome to the Baxter Building home of the Fantastic Four.
John: I'd like to speak to Reed Richards.
Desk: Reed Richards is busy right now can I take a message.
John: Tell him Doom is after me! I am a mystic who fights the forces of Lucifer himself.
Desk: Sending request n......
Reed: Who are you!
John: My name is John Constantine Lucifer himself has made a deal with Victor Von Doom to claim my life and need your help in dealing with him, I believe my skills in mysticism will aid you in his capture. Sources have told me I have hours....maybe minutes to live.
Reed teleports John to their living quarters where Ben is watching TV and Sue is playing with the kids. Reed is standing there. Many droids floating around John, scanning him.
Reed: Explain!
John: He has made a dea......
Suddenly John disappears and Reed is shocked!
Reed: Where did he go?
Ben: Where did who go?
Reed: I...I don't know Sue is that pizza still in the fridge.
Time had changed for multiple Doombots had already killed John Constantine's mother while giving birth to him. The hospital's location given as a favour by Osborn's Hammer resources due to Doom being a member of the Cabal. John never existed.
Cue Terminator music!
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I do not know about Constantine but i call bullsh%t on ime travel scenario. Because,:
1. Doom doesn't indulge in such vulgarities unlike that buffoon Kang
2. Under the Marvel time travel rules, if Doom succeeds in such an attack, that would mean that he created a branch of timeline where John doesn't exist. By KMC rules that is a self-BFR and loss for Doom
3. Powers That Be prevent Doom from screwing with the status quo in this way.
He isn't smart as Doom in the science deparrment, he's more of a prepmaster in terms that he'll do anything to win. He crafty as hell and the only person I'd put on Lucifer to beat him. I think endless Mike will create a Respect thread, but that won't be for sometime.
In the end Constantine's people skills may prove his saving grace considering Doom is a friendless tyrant who everyone distrusts.
Never forget that John could probably find a way to get Doom's mother's soul from Mephisto and use it as leverage.
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“Where the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
Depends on how much prep involved. If it's short term, I think John's chances are better, but long term, I think Doom will gain better insight as to how crafty he is.
He's everybodies favorite self-destructing bi-sexual. John is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. While not technical smart like Doom he does have a lot more common sense. He'd probably do something like enchanting all the Doom bots simultaneously into believing that they are the one true Doom and have them have a go a Doom until he's to tired to do anything. Walk up to him with a sacrificial knife and carve his soul out of his body. But thats just my opinion. He is one of the most underrated characters in comics IMO. btw You can't beat keanu reeves he is secretly Paul Monet who is secretly Jesus.
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Mar 13th, 2010 04:44 PM
He'll probably end up blowing off his prep time polishing his armor and practicing his speeches.
For arguments sakes lets say both combatants happened to exist in the same reality the whole time.
John is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. While not technical smart like Doom he does have a lot more common sense. He'd probably do something like enchanting all the Doom bots simultaneously into believing that they are the one true Doom and have them have a go a Doom until he's to tired to do anything. Walk up to him with a sacrificial knife and carve his soul out of his body. But thats just my opinion. He is one of the most underrated characters in comics IMO. btw You can't beat keanu reeves he is secretly Paul Monet who is secretly Jesus.
