Originally posted by MenetnashtéAnd that is the only reason I'm glad Wolverine did well, even though imo it was bad.
Deadpool is officially, looking forward to it 🙂
...and then I read this:
But along with superhuman powers, enhanced strength and self-regenerating healing powers, the slightly unhinged Deadpool can absorb the abilities of dead and captured mutants.
read the fourth paragraph and tell me what's wrong
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.eonline.com/wolverines-ryan-reynolds-dives-deadpool-spinoff-20090506
Originally posted by KingD19
I wish they would make an origin story for Colossus or Juggernaut, we need to see some strong guys.
Originally posted by Paola
Is that guy Schwartz good enough?
Originally posted by Raoul
it isn't JUST about how I want it.
Well, after reading your post, it is closer to how you want it than I thought.
Originally posted by Raoul
it's supposed to be an X-MEN movie. Since the 60s, when the X-Men were introduced, Cyclops has been one of the central characters. Even when Wolverine came along, that didn't take away from Cyclops. He was still, and is to this day, one of the central if not THE main x-man in the main x-books.
Oh, sure, I like Cyke.
Originally posted by Raoul
of course it's a different universe, but that's hardly the point.
No, that's the entire point. Different universe, different stories unfold. 😬
Originally posted by Raoul
would you have any problems with them making the avengers, but shortchanging captain america or iron man? what about the justice league with no superman or batman? or the fantastic four with no reed or sue? if they had left cyclops out, then fine, i wouldn't have cared, but the fact that they included him and then proceeded to bastardise the character AND his relationship with jean just to make wolverine look good was pitiful, imo.
Yes, I could do without all of those characters. Do you understand now why it is something you want? You're so hung on the characters and stories from the comics that it prevents you from being able to enjoy the "original" story in universe 10005.
Think about the majority of the viewing audience....do they REALLY know the intricacies of Earth 616 characters?
Originally posted by Raoul
i know cyclops is hated. fine.
He is? Why? I liked him and was pissed that they thought it was okay to kill of Cyke.
Originally posted by Raoul
that still doesn't change the fact that he is one of the central x-men, and has been for around fifty years. he's been a major part of the x-men franchise since day 1. he's had a key role in almost every single major storyline since the comics started.it's supposed to be an x-men movie. you can change things, hell, it's to be expected, but you still have to remain faithful in some sense to the actual characters from the source media. the movies didn't do that in cyclop's case, which is a damn travesty given his history.
It's so weird because now you're posting things that are similar to what I said above. And, they did remain faithful in some sense to Scott. They just happened to change his fate in "this" universe. And, no, they don't have to remain faithful at all.
In this universe, was Cyke an intelligent leader with a "take charge" attitude? I didn't see it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, after reading your post, it is closer to how you want it than I thought.Oh, sure, I like Cyke.
No, that's the entire point. Different universe, different stories unfold. 😬
Yes, I could do without all of those characters. Do you understand now why it is something you want? You're so hung on the characters and stories from the comics that it prevents you from being able to enjoy the "original" story in universe 10005.
Think about the majority of the viewing audience....do they REALLY know the intricacies of Earth 616 characters?
He is? Why? I liked him and was pissed that they thought it was okay to kill of Cyke.
It's so weird because now you're posting things that are similar to what I said above. And, they did remain faithful in some sense to Scott. They just happened to change his fate in "this" universe. And, no, they don't have to remain faithful at all.
In this universe, was Cyke an intelligent leader with a "take charge" attitude? I didn't see it.
you can't be serious. 😐
hmm, just realised i wasn't very clear. i was talking about this:
Originally posted by dadudemon
And, no, they don't have to remain faithful at all.
why on earth wouldnt they be faithful? what's the point in calling him cyclops if he doesn't have the same characteristics as cyclops? a visor and a red beam does not a cyclops make.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, I could do without all of those characters. Do you understand now why it is something you want? You're so hung on the characters and stories from the comics that it prevents you from being able to enjoy the "original" story in universe 10005.
its a movie based on comic characters. when doing that, you try to carry over the character's personality, the kind of role they have, just a general sense of who they are and what they're like.
they didn't do that with cyclops.
Think about the majority of the viewing audience....do they REALLY know the intricacies of Earth 616 characters?
who said they had to?
In this universe, was Cyke an intelligent leader with a "take charge" attitude? I didn't see it.
which is what he's supposed to be. logan's a gruff loner, the professor is an educated, brilliant, compassionate man, and cyclops is the field leader in every sense.
Originally posted by Raoul
hmm, just realised i wasn't very clear. i was talking about this:why on earth wouldnt they be faithful? what's the point in calling him cyclops if he doesn't have the same characteristics as cyclops? a visor and a red beam does not a cyclops make.
You of all people should know of all the different universes out there. I am not going to waste both our times by explaining differences among the universes. 😐
Originally posted by Raoul
its a movie based on comic characters. when doing that, you try to carry over the character's personality, the kind of role they have, just a general sense of who they are and what they're like.
No "they" don't, obviously. They don't have to, either. And they can and did adjust personalities, abilities, and plot. Different universe, man. That's how it works. Of course, the people that would be upset about those minor differences are usually comic book fans who don't like things changed too much from 616. I am a comic book fan who does NOT mind things being changed. Of course, I can be disappointed by the changes, but I can still appreciate it as a separate universe.
Originally posted by Raoul
they didn't do that with cyclops.
I agree. Like I said, I was disappointed that we didn't get to see the intelligent tactician and leader that Cyke is...AND, he got killed. 🙁
Originally posted by Raoul
who said they had to?
You must be joking.
You're making an argument how Cyke's differences, and other differences like it, made the movies worse or less enjoyable for you. Obviously, they have to keep closer to 616 for you than it was actually done. My point still stands, though.
Originally posted by Raoul
which is what he's supposed to be. logan's a gruff loner, the professor is an educated, brilliant, compassionate man, and cyclops is the field leader in every sense.
I feel that they got some aspects of Wolvie's personality right, but, yeah, I didn't like what they did with Cyke. He turned out to be a whiny college age kid with an ego problem rather than a usually level headed tactician and leader.