Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeSir, if power made the villain, then Dark Khan would be fantastic.
Well, maybe not on Turles's level of coolness, but something along Garlic Jr's level. Either way, I don't see how Slug sucks as a movie villain when it took both Goku and Piccolo's strength combined to beat him. Wasn't one of those guys who Goku beat by himself with the Spirit Bomb or somethin'.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
How did Slug suck exactly compared to the other movie villains, like say Turles?
There was no catch to him that made him particularly unique. Turles at least had the resemblance to Goku, Broly was at least a Saiyan made to contrast with the fact that the heroes were all saiyans. Broly alos had some of the better lines in his movies amongst the villains(even his only spoken one aside from "Kakarot!" in the second one). What did Lord Slug have? "Peek-a-boo!"? Garlic Jr. was the only one who got his wish for immortality (not "eternal youth"😉, the list goes on. That said, I don't much care for Turles in particular either.
Which he shouldn't have since he's Broly's father and all. There must have been something special about Paragus in particular for him to have given birth the to Legendary Super Saiyan. 😬
That's your own fault for thinking so far into it. If that were the case there must ahve been something about Bardock that made him give birth to the Saiyan supposedley destined to become the earth's savior, the one to defeat Freeza (the first time around), etc. Nope.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
There was no catch to him that made him particularly unique. Turles at least had the resemblance to Goku, Broly was at least a Saiyan made to contrast with the fact that the heroes were all saiyans. Broly alos had some of the better lines in his movies amongst the villains(even his only spoken one aside from "Kakarot!" in the second one). What did Lord Slug have? "Peek-a-boo!"? Garlic Jr. was the only one who got his wish for immortality (not "eternal youth"😉, the list goes on. That said, I don't much care for Turles in particular either.That's your own fault for thinking so far into it. If that were the case there must ahve been something about Bardock that made him give birth to the Saiyan supposedley destined to become the earth's savior, the one to defeat Freeza (the first time around), etc. Nope.
I disagree on two points. Broly wasn't made to contrast the fact that all heroes were all saiyans. The saiyans were not a heroic race and Broly was as evil as them.
Also there was nothing special about Goku or Bardock, it wasn't anything special about him or Bardock that made Goku strong, Goku gained strength from training. If he was hypothetically still on Vegeta he would've in no way obtain the power he would have on earth.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Sir, if power made the villain, then Dark Khan would be fantastic.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
There was no catch to him that made him particularly unique. Turles at least had the resemblance to Goku, Broly was at least a Saiyan made to contrast with the fact that the heroes were all saiyans. Broly alos had some of the better lines in his movies amongst the villains(even his only spoken one aside from "Kakarot!" in the second one). What did Lord Slug have? "Peek-a-boo!"? Garlic Jr. was the only one who got his wish for immortality (not "eternal youth"😉, the list goes on. That said, I don't much care for Turles in particular either.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
That's your own fault for thinking so far into it. If that were the case there must ahve been something about Bardock that made him give birth to the Saiyan supposedley destined to become the earth's savior, the one to defeat Freeza (the first time around), etc. Nope.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
That's the thing, I used to think so too until I watched it a second time, where I realized it was probably my vote for second or third worst. The main piece of appeal that was so often commercialized turned out to last even shorter in the movie than Gogeta in Fusion Reborn, with even LESS mention in the actual story. It gave a really dumb plot-based weakness to the namekians, The villain sucked (the best movie villains are Cooler, Broly, and Garlic Jr. bar none) and was one of too many at the time to go out with the most PIS attack in the series. Broly may have been finished off in the first movie in a similar fashion, but at least he had a second flick where he was defeated in one of my favorite villain death scenes. Most of the better movies are the ones that DON'T involve Goku using the Spirit Bomb or something similar, because they actually have a good start instead of winging it with a rushed-out "meteor coming to destroy earth" jazz, and don't even have it raze the surface.
The whistling thing was a little off, but I still thought it worked(considering Slug's "100 times worse" thing), Slug was an amazing villain(I don't understand how he isn't one), the fight scenes were amazing, the planet hitting earth thing was a great way to begin a movie to show that these events are serious, and I personally thought that the plot was alright.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Whoa whoa whoa are you implying Slug and Turles are on the same level?
Turles was awesome, but you forced me to do this.
Lord Slug = King Piccolo
Turles = Raditz
Personally, while they both rule, I somewhat like Lord Slug more. Not by much, but still.
And I have a large question: In "Tree Of Might", what was with the ending? Goku goes for a fruit, only for him to randomly already have a Spirit Bomb without eating anything.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I don't even remember Slug's lines or anything now, so I guess I'll take your word for it. Have to disagree though about Broly having some of the better lines amongst the villains. In fact, "Kakorat!" pretty much sums up his personality in a nutshell. 😐
Whoever KakOrAt is, I'll be sure to look into that. If you want things that "sum up" Broly, try quotes like:
"Is that another word for coffin?"
"Please, do your best to make me kneel before you!"
"You are all talk and no action; a true piece of trash!"
"Not until you lie dead at my feet...!"
At least Bardock had his own movie, which was arguably the best one as others have already established. He was given the ability to see into the future too, so that counts for something.
That's why Bardock is awesome. They elaborated on him, giving him probably one of the deeper plots in any form of the DBZ continuity, but in the way that was associated with the main continuity.
Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
The whistling thing was a little off, but I still thought it worked(considering Slug's "100 times worse" thing), Slug was an amazing villain(I don't understand how he [b]isn't one), the fight scenes were amazing, the planet hitting earth thing was a great way to begin a movie to show that these events are serious, and I personally thought that the plot was alright. [/B]
Slug was short of the paint-by-numbers movie villain made for the sake of giving the Spirit Bomb something to destroy. He was undeveloped, underutilized, and let's face it, it's a stupid-ass name. There wasn't a single fight scene that Tree of Might or Return of Cooler didn't do better. They couldn't even introduce the characters well when it actually came to the meteor coming to the earth. What we got from Lord Slug we got the same thing from Fusion Reborn, a commercialized plot point made into an anti-climactic scene in the actual movie.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
There was no catch to him that made him particularly unique. Turles at least had the resemblance to Goku, Broly was at least a Saiyan made to contrast with the fact that the heroes were all saiyans. Broly alos had some of the better lines in his movies amongst the villains(even his only spoken one aside from "Kakarot!" in the second one). What did Lord Slug have? "Peek-a-boo!"? Garlic Jr. was the only one who got his wish for immortality (not "eternal youth"😉, the list goes on. That said, I don't much care for Turles in particular either.
Really? Screaming "Kakarot" constantly does not a good villain make. You say "Peek-a-boo"(which I though was funny, and considering how badass the situation was, awesome), and yet you don't understand Slug's appeal.
What made Lord Slug so badass wasn't his lines, but his actions. Before and after him, villains beat Goku with ease, fought stalemate, or lost horribly. Lord Slug was the only DBZ villain, to me personally, that fought Goku with absolute class. Other villains(even Cooler and Frieza) fought Goku with either ease or for their lives, but never did it in a sport-like way. Lord Slug was beating down Goku with a smile, an A-class walk, and some fun one-liners. Fighting wasn't a job for Lord Slug, or even a sick pleasure. It was just a way to get what he wants, and decided to do it in the manner best fitting for him: Quick, violent, and dominating.
Hell, right after getting tossed around by FS Goku, he simply laughed, RIPPED OFF HIS OWN ARM, and continued to fight.
Personally I think Broli's best line happens when Piccolo shows up.
Piccolo - Your a monster
Broli - Monster? I'm a demon.
Or something along those lines. It's been forever. That and I don't think it's said in the English version.
I didn't find Tree of Might that bad..not the best but not the worst.
>.> I liked World's Strongest for some reason.
I don't know about best but storyline wise for worst I would have to go with Fusion Reborn
not that I hated the movie, just how did it even fit in?
it was Buu saga after vegeta killed himself, goku was already back in the other world & if I remember correctly he went straight for looking for Gohan who was in the supreme kai planet.
So why was gohan on earth then, why was goku in a tournament, where was buu while all that staff was happening, & if broly was dead why didn't he return to the planet?
Originally posted by SpadeKing
I don't know about best but storyline wise for worst I would have to go with Fusion Rebornnot that I hated the movie, just how did it even fit in?
it was Buu saga after vegeta killed himself, goku was already back in the other world & if I remember correctly he went straight for looking for Gohan who was in the supreme kai planet.So why was gohan on earth then, why was goku in a tournament, where was buu while all that staff was happening, & if broly was dead why didn't he return to the planet?
It's the movies bro. Continuity isn't really their thing.
Originally posted by KentoPiccolo: "He isn't a Saiyan. He's a monster."
Personally I think Broli's best line happens when Piccolo shows up.Piccolo - Your a monster
Broli - Monster? I'm a demon.Or something along those lines. It's been forever. That and I don't think it's said in the English version.
Broly: "Monster? No, YOU'RE wrong! I...Am the Devil!"
Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
I have to ask: What's with all of the "Lord Slug" hate? I thought it was awesome.
Well for one thing, being defeated by whistling was pretty lame.
Worlds Strongest - Yeahh pretty cool, a scientists as the villian, different for DBZ atleast
Did you perhaps skip the entire Red Ribbon, Android, and Cell sagas?
BTW, has anyone seen the few Dragonball animated movies, or the GT special? Those are the only ones I haven't seen.
I heard that we actually get to see Tsuru-Sennin fighting in one of the Dragonball movies, which is something I would like to watch.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Piccolo: "He isn't a Saiyan. He's a monster."Broly: "Monster? No, YOU'RE wrong! I...Am the Devil!"
English Dub
Piccolo - You usually pic on the Children first??..
Broly - I do what needs to be done, what do you expect, from a true freak!!! hahahahahhaa!!
Japanese Dub i think picoclo calls him a monster and broly says he is a devil XD
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