Are you kidding me? You rambling on about stuff I never said, while trying to save face at the same time. The onus is on YOU to prove The Ones that Sit Above are weaker. That was YOUR claim to which I said prove that is true. To which you said.. Well Odin is weaker than before, thus They are also weaker, thus why Thor was able to accomplish said feat. Its all there for people to say. That was YOUR stance and your argument NONE of which has any proof of such. If so, then please point out to the scan or issue number where this recton or general power downgrading took place. So, that is the first place your totally wrong and off base, and have been so for awhile now.
You then go on to laughable say you want me to prove The Ones who Sit above are strong as they used to be LOL. Are you kidding me? You want me to prove something that hasn't changed or has there ever been a mention of any downgrade. Therefore, its logical to assume they are at standard normal power levels. You on the other hand, want to assume they are weaker, from your faulty premise that all marvel characters in general are weaker. This just makes zero sense.
He is stronger than odin.. You concede that correct? That is all I'm saying and have been saying. Your arguing with me how strong and I never once gave any description or quantified how much stronger. I only said he's stronger than Odin and thus I think he shouldn't have much of an issue with Prime/Monarch. Nothing more, nothing less. It was you who came in here claiming rectons and power downgrades that you can't prove in the least. I even tried to work with you and agreed that odin hasn't been shown to do some of the high end feats he used to. Yet again, when did I claim otherwise. However, even that being the case as I said, that doesn't mean The ONes.. are weaker. That is a slippery slope fallacy and one your trying to use but failing at miserably.
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First of, he did shake the multiverse, when he died, right?
Second, it's been over a decade since he destroy the Galaxy, I am not going to claim I know much about him, but his most recent showings are poor. He dies from a small wound(or poison) and stuff like that.
Yes, you are right some characters have gotten stronger, but in my view, more have gotten considerable weaker.
If you are going to say RTK wins, I'd only agree because I give Odin the win over Prime, not because of RTK's showing. He has one showing that say shows he is stronger then the Odin. The rest are irrelevant.
If that was my claim, I have worded it wrong. All I am pointing out is that, If Odin got weaker since his prime days, you can use his prime days for your own argument.
Like this for example.
CA> current Nekron because in the 1980's, CA beat Nekron. Right? Furthermore, I can't say RTK can destroy Galaxy just because Odin did it long time ago. Surely you agree?
So you are still going to say that there weren't downgrade from Marvel?
First you say your worded it wrong. Which I fine. Then you go onto say.. So, your saying they weren't downgraded... I said and have been VERY clear in my stance. My stance is there is no indication, implication, on panel depictions or narrations that suggest The Ones That Sit Above are weaker. Not ONE shred of evidence that supports YOUR claim. That is all I have said this whole time. My stance is they are at the same level they have always been. Ragnarok has been occurring just as it always has. My argument is logical and is backed up the comics. Your argument isn't and that is a fact. As I pointed out and its clear to see by all.
1. My stance is.. Thor is stronger than Odin because he sacrificed more than Odin. Thus, he was able to finally stop Ragnarok. Very simple, very factual and fits perfectly with the story. You concede Thor is stronger, but yet can't follow a simple logical line of thinking to then go.. Thus that is why he was able to accomplish something Odin couldn't
2. Your argument is and its all there to see... Odin has gotten weaker since his multiverse shattering days and thus The Ones That Sit Above are also weaker. Thus that is why Thor was able to accomplish what he did because of the general power downgrade of all characters in Marvel. Your premise and conclusion is reaching, speculation, not sound & not supported by narration or artistic depiction.
The crisis effectively lowered their powers. Whether it's unofficial or not is besides the point. Unless you think post crisis Superman is superior to pre crisis?
The multiverse feat happened mid nineties so what's your point? Are you saying all feats that occurred in the mid nineties are off limits? Odin has affected the multiverse.
So Nabu or Mordru would be completely ineffective against him? I guess if a magical spell affects the solar energy in his body it really doesn't hurt him because it's magic.
Bottom line is he tanked blasts and punches which isn't proof he's completely immune to all magical spells and all forms.
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lol, if you are using him dieing as "shaking the multiverse" then u are contradicting urself because he died within this decade. Also what are u talking about really, Odin dieing from a small wound? huh?. You havent given any of these his "poor" recent showings to show a decrease in powerlevel of his and are just relying on baseless hearsay.
Please name those that have gotten considerably weaker.
RKT being > Odin is all that is needed for him to win this. He only appeared briefly so he cant be expected to have a plethora of feats.
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Not really since he was a prominent character in the 80's and 90's and then died until relatively recently. It's not like he's had a lot of opportunities for feats since he was returned to his classic levels.
SBP wrecked myx--who pwned Spectre.
SBP demolished SC AM who was playing with the Ion entity like it was silly putty.
SBP went through several Guardians
SBP took on Kal-el and Kal-L at once after breaking through a wall of willpower fueled by several hundred GL's
SBP punched a wall so hard that he broke the fourth wall and made Jason Todd live again.
He's pretty tough.
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