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Man made global warming has been debunked, it's time to move on.


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Man made global warming has been debunked, it's time to move on.


Because it's not like the evidence is support of climate change overwhelms that against it. Oh, wait yes it does.

Well at least most people who spend time study the data raw it think it's made up. What's that? They don't?

Oh, I know: the scientists who deny it have never said they were being pressured to do so by the government or employer who found the information inconvenient. No, no the majority of them say that.

Too bad, so sad. Time to accept reality and move on.


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Man made global warming has been debunked, it's time to move on.


And the Holocaust never happened either


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And the Holocaust never happened either


There is no question global warming is going on. It has been happening for the last 12,000 years. It's strange, however, how humans caused global warming 12,000 years ago.


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We should plant some trees in the ocean.


i agree.


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There is no question global warming is going on. It has been happening for the last 12,000 years. It's strange, however, how humans caused global warming 12,000 years ago.


No one denies that the Earth goes through cooling and heating cycles, the question is, whether all the pollutants we release throw that off balance.


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No one denies that the Earth goes through cooling and heating cycles, the question is, whether all the pollutants we release throw that off balance.


I know it does, but the hype about global warming is manufactured by people like Al Gore to make millions of millions of $$$$$$.

I am 100% for cleaning our environment. I want clear water, and clean air, but no one should ever buy carbon credits. It is nothing but a scam.


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Even if everything about global warming is 100% correct, carbon credits would still be a scam.


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Because it's not like the evidence is support of climate change overwhelms that against it. Oh, wait yes it does.

Well at least most people who spend time study the data raw it think it's made up. What's that? They don't?

Oh, I know: the scientists who deny it have never said they were being pressured to do so by the government or employer who found the information inconvenient. No, no the majority of them say that.

Too bad, so sad. Time to accept reality and move on.


But what we do know that an anthropogenic cause is still a theory, not a fact.

We also know that the large majority of the global warming, from the past 100 years, occured before 1940 (which happens to be before the majority of greenhouse gases were emitted by man.)

We also know that periods in Earth's history had many times the amount of CO2 present, yet we had record low temperatures or temperatures around the same time period.

We do know that it has yet to be proven that CO2 really does cause global warming.

We do know that man is polluting the environment at absurd levels and that we are in the fastest ELE in all of Earth's history...caused by man.

We do know that other planets have shown some warming, too.

We do know that the temperatures in the past decade have been about the same or even cooled.

We do know that we are exiting an IceAge.



So what does that tell us?

Anthropogenic global warming is a theory, not a fact, and has contradicting evidence and holes. Global warming is a fact. Man is causing the most rapid ELE in all of Earth's History.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: man is probably causing some of the global warming, but it is a very small portion of the total picture. As inimalist said, just chaning it by 1% could make a huge difference, and I agree there...but there's no evidence for or against that.

To say that


anthropogenic global warming has been debunked is definitely false. To say that anthropogenic global warming is a fact, is definitely false. It's a theory with evidence that can be used to support the theory. What we should do is ensure that our impact on what we do, does not damage our ability to survive in the future: we should also try our best to preserve life on the Earth because, as far as we know, it's the only planet in the universe that has life so it's very arrogant and horrible that we cause so much life to become extinct.



Also, poop.


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But what we do know that an anthropogenic cause is still a theory, not a fact.

We also know that the large majority of the global warming, from the past 100 years, occured before 1940 (which happens to be before the majority of greenhouse gases were emitted by man.)

We also know that periods in Earth's history had many times the amount of CO2 present, yet we had record low temperatures or temperatures around the same time period.

We do know that it has yet to be proven that CO2 really does cause global warming.

We do know that man is polluting the environment at absurd levels and that we are in the fastest ELE in all of Earth's history...caused by man.

We do know that other planets have shown some warming, too.

We do know that the temperatures in the past decade have been about the same or even cooled.

We do know that we are exiting an IceAge.



So what does that tell us?

Anthropogenic global warming is a theory, not a fact, and has contradicting evidence and holes. Global warming is a fact. Man is causing the most rapid ELE in all of Earth's History.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: man is probably causing some of the global warming, but it is a very small portion of the total picture. As inimalist said, just chaning it by 1% could make a huge difference, and I agree there...but there's no evidence for or against that.

To say that


anthropogenic global warming has been debunked is definitely false. To say that anthropogenic global warming is a fact, is definitely false. It's a theory with evidence that can be used to support the theory. What we should do is ensure that our impact on what we do, does not damage our ability to survive in the future: we should also try our best to preserve life on the Earth because, as far as we know, it's the only planet in the universe that has life so it's very arrogant and horrible that we cause so much life to become extinct.



Also, poop.

Gravity is also a theory, not a fact.


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Fixed it for ya.



I still have the response to your post, in that other thread. It's mostly done. It's not complete, but I work on it when I get bored, at school.




And, feel free to disagree with anything I've stated above. Correct it. Pwn it. Etc.


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Gravity is also a theory, not a fact.


You sure?


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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know it does, but the hype about global warming is manufactured by people like Al Gore to make millions of millions of $$$$$$.

I am 100% for cleaning our environment. I want clear water, and clean air, but no one should ever buy carbon credits. It is nothing but a scam.


I'd like to retract my "no one denies", certain religious groups probably do, as the Earth possibly couldn't heat and freeze in cycles, if it's only around 6k years old.

I somewhat disagree, while Gore is a fat greedy pig, his shenanigans on the matter doesn't mean man-mad Global Warming is complete bullshit.

Agreed on Carbon Credits.


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Fixed it for ya.



I still have the response to your post, in that other thread. It's mostly done. It's not complete, but I work on it when I get bored, at school.




And, feel free to disagree with anything I've stated above. Correct it. Pwn it. Etc.


its the same argument, though

you are denying the scientific consensus, which you are free to do, simply because a well funded campaign has convinced you there is something wrong with it.

There might be an interesting discussion of memes with regard to why anti-global warming ideas have spread so forcefully while the wedge strategy for intelligent design didn't, but other than that, I'm not really interested in a debate on the issue.

Its like ID again, don't take this personally, but its just I don't want to give people a forum to discuss these things, as it lends credibility to them to even address it like that. Lol, I'll get bored and do it from time to time, but I know I'm not going to convince you or anyone of anything. Hell, best case scenario, I don't make a word slip and give people a reason to discredit everything I say.


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its the same argument, though

you are denying the scientific consensus, which you are free to do, simply because a well funded campaign has convinced you there is something wrong with it.


Wha...?

That's an awful lot of assumptions, considering I believe in anthropogenic global warming. I just don't believe it to the extent as some of the libtards take it.

On top of that, I haven't been campaigned at all. That's absurd. I just recently ran across anti-man-made global warming stuff (about 2 years ago). My opinion of it still hasn't changed.

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There might be an interesting discussion of memes with regard to why anti-global warming ideas have spread so forcefully while the wedge strategy for intelligent design didn't, but other than that, I'm not really interested in a debate on the issue.


Wait, I thought it was the opposite: we need a discussion on the memes with regard to man-made global warming ideas spreading, quite literally.

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Its like ID again, don't take this personally, but its just I don't want to give people a forum to discuss these things, as it lends credibility to them to even address it like that. Lol, I'll get bored and do it from time to time, but I know I'm not going to convince you or anyone of anything. Hell, best case scenario, I don't make a word slip and give people a reason to discredit everything I say.


Lulz.

It's like, you think I think anthropogenic global warming doesn't exist.


I don't like to give a forum to people that are ape-shit over man-made global warming because they are usually idiots that focus too one sided, won't listen to reason, and deny contrary logic and evidence. I'm not saying that's you, but I've run across those idiots in my "travels."


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There might be an interesting discussion of memes with regard to why anti-global warming ideas have spread so forcefully while the wedge strategy for intelligent design didn't, but other than that, I'm not really interested in a debate on the issue.


Because people aren't that easily fooled by a masked "God did it!" idea, even if a supposedly genius-like individual like Ben Stein uses Argument ad Nazium to try and force the point onto us.

That and the orginal watch-argument being a rediculous comparison to a biological.


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There is no question global warming is going on. It has been happening for the last 12,000 years. .


This is true. However it's accelerated geometrically in the last 100-150 years, I have a hard time believing that is part of natural cycles.


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