That Jester Gouki comparison is a bit off, as its less a physical thing and more a 'can he make put any devil-force into it'. Its already shown to be able to have many multiple times the cutting strength of a normal sword in 4. So that would do it, if he had it.
The AOE blast could probably be countered by DT, not much but can take a few strong blasts like it was nothing at 1:15. Curios now, what stops him getting blitz or has he been shown to resist a blade?
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It is stated in the information area of DMC4 and 3. You can also look it up on the DMC wiki. The sword can cut through time and space which is why I always talk about it.
Verg also wasn't using any of the attacks I'm referring to in this thread against Jester.
I did not see Verg use any of those attacks except in gameplay, in the final fight at the end. O'course you can dodge'em then, they have to make the guy beatable.
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It can't rend reality apart, and it says nothing about time. It specifically states it can cut holes bitween dimensions (effectively meaning it can open and close helgates at will) and that is what gives it it's amazing cutting power.
But now I call to you the fact that Yamato HAS been blocked before, it has been damaged before, and by far less power than what Gouki wields.
Yamato's FUNCTION is opening dimensional gates. It cannot cut through anything, and it has FAILED to do so on several occasions. Don't let pointless hyperbole reign over common sense and showings.
Opening hellgates is not a demonstration of power, its just something that it has the ability to do.
The Sparda Sword is the more powerful weapon, yet it cannot do the same thing.
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It cannot cut through Time, just through dimensional barriers.
You brought up the wiki, which does not even mention Time.
Doesn't matter. Yamato was still stopped. By Jester no less. Vergil was tired which is why that happened, but Gouki is, physically speaking, far better than Jester. He'll be able to stop the blade itself.
Dante's been able to do so with Rebellion. Even Lady managed to stop Vergil's slash with Yamato, and she was using her rocket launcher, Kalina Ann.
Then there's that moving slash that Dante used. I think that wave was at least high super-sonic. Should not be a problem for Gouki if Ryu can effortlessly weave through bullet shots, which are typically super-sonic.
He still has them as a part of his move-list both as a boss, and a playable character. His mastery of Yamato is also greater than either Dante's or Nero's. Hell, I think that would be the case for any sword.
If we can dodge/block them in gameplay, it likely translates to the player character having the ability to dodge/block them in canon.
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You guys are missin' my point. Rather he can cut through space and time is irrelavent. My point is this...if Dante does any of Yamato's special attacks, Akuma will be reduced to ribbons. I have not seen sufficient evidence that shows Akuma being able to survive the Yamato. There is nothing leading me to believe Akuma is more durable than a Hell Gate.
Also, pleez refrain from going into classic "KMC Memeber Ass Hole Mode". Just askin' for this not to happen before it even starts.
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Exept for the fat that, you know, Gouki survives the destructive capability of his own attacks. That and he also survives quite well against equal or slightly lesser powers from other characters quite well.
Fear the speed of the rain feat! That scene even kept to what would happen to entities at that speed. [The dome/clash]
Even if you choose to ignore that there's this from the people over at obd wikispaces ;
''Dante was calculated at a comfortable Mach 6.5 (2200+ m/s) - Mach 7.7 (2600+ m/s) in DMC3 alone which is his younger/inexperienced years. Devil Trigger amps this. Also estimated to be at double digit mach speeds based on his tower dive (mach 10+) and raindrop feat (mach 15).''
(Have checked into his other speed feats like ^ before. Easily into Mach 10+ (High hypersonic))
Neglecting the rain, Mach 5-10 by a young, inexperienced Dante. And as we know 3<<<<1<<4<<2. Then add DT+Quick Heart... Yeah, High hypersonic, which trumps supersonic.
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I can comfortably say I did not watch a single one of those videos.
I've never doubted Dante is faster than Gouki, but other than "Lawl well Yamato has t3h soopa time/space cutz" Gouki not only can easily withstand Dante's attacks, his SSFIV ending shows he can one-shot him.
That large speed advantage will give off the force/damage to take down Gouki. Yeah don't see that blast one-shotting him, not with damage soak RG/Dreadnaught and DT. But can he even do that by SFIII?
Gouki may take round 1, not 2.
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No. One of the single lamest things you can do is use someone's speed as proof that they can hit SOOPAH HARD, hard enough to injure someone who could not be harmed by them based on what they have shown, although it is true IRL, it does not always hold up in fiction. But I digress. Although thinking about it, Dante did stop Savior's punch, did he not? So he may be able to harm Gouki, but not by much, people in Gouki's level in Streetfighter do shit like tank nukes, and Gouki himself has fought inside a volcano with Gouken (Tanking punches from a guy just as powerful as he is), was able to withstand the pressure of a deep sea trench easily, and now that I think about it was fast enough to leap from said trench to above the surface in a few seconds, while kicking a sunken ship in half, which means Dante cannot speedblitz him as easily as you believe. Also, yeah, that blast vaporised that giant section of forest and actually went into space, that will destroy Dante.
Gouki will smirk as Dante's fists fail to harm him in round 1, and he then turns him into a smear on the pavement with a single punch.
soopah.. Don't see why speed isn't a factor in the strength of his hits, like with Flash, Sonic, blah.
Yep, one handed. Speed wise that makes him Mach 2, 3 being generous to what I thought was 1+. Dante's still a few times faster then that, wouldn't this make it somewhat easy to out manoeuvre him? That I remember, from the novel (people have said its canon) Dante used Dreadnought to tank the Savior's giant beam un-scathed. (Overall destruction his blast was probably stronger but this beam is concentrated into one area so..)
Gauntlets increase his strength to a fair degree, Gilgamesh can Just/charge to make the increase much higher. Or burn him with Ifrit, flames that destroy ice creatures that are impervious to volcano fire. Gouki's only taken the heat in a volcano.
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Those videos don't demonstrate anything contradicting what I've said.
Btw, Savior does not punch hard relative to his size, the damage he does to the ground in his cinematic ground punches are no more than some ordinary explosives would do. Two, his punch was slowing down when it was coming at Dante. Three, Sanctus was not weak at that particular time was he?
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That scene even kept to what would happen to entities at that speed. [The dome/clash]
