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Originally posted by darthgoober
When issue did Barry teach him in, because I've always been under the impression that Wally was sub light speed until well after COIE?

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Originally posted by Prep-Man
It's what I heard on the net, but I just asked a Barry Allen fan for you, so hopefully I can get some feats and answers on exact issue numbers.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Well I'm expert on Pre Crisis heroes but here's the way I see it Hawkman, Hawk Woman, Batman, Black Canary, and Green Arrow are pretty much incosequential at this level, they'll most likely get taken out in the opening second if only from collateral damage. Of the people that are left

Supes is massively vulnerabile to K-Nite, red sun radiaion, and magic. Green Lantern is powerless against the color yellow. And Martian Manhunter is incredibly vulnerable to fire. So Supes would likely be beaten by Surfer, Quasar, Thor(and maybe even BRB), Green Lantern would likely lose against Surfer, Quasar, and maybe Nova(since Nova's blasts and such are yellow), and Martian Manhunter would probably lose against... well any of them since they can all create fire pretty easily. Depending on how things match up in the opening seconds, these guys could prove to be useful, but it seems unrealistic to think that they'd last for too long giving their glaring vulnerabilities and the skill/power of the opposition.

Wonder Woman and Aquaman don't have easily exploited vulnerabilities but to my knowledge niether of their Pre Crisis version were powerful enough to pose any kind of real threat to anyone on the Marvel Team except maybe Ronan.

Flash and Captain Marvel are the only ones the Avengers really have to worry about, and in the end I just don't see them being enough to fill the massive gaps in the JLA's defenses. TBH I'm not even sure Barry was pulling off IMP's back in his PC days...

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Originally posted by darthgoober
When issue did Barry teach him in, because I've always been under the impression that Wally was sub light speed until well after COIE?

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Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't think Wally could hit lightspeed Pre Crisis?

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Wonder Woman and Aquaman don't have easily exploited vulnerabilities but to my knowledge niether of their Pre Crisis version were powerful enough to pose any kind of real threat to anyone on the Marvel Team except maybe Ronan.

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Originally posted by darthgoober

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Well I'm expert on Pre Crisis heroes but here's the way I see it Hawkman, Hawk Woman, Batman, Black Canary, and Green Arrow are pretty much incosequential at this level, they'll most likely get taken out in the opening second if only from collateral damage. Of the people that are left

Supes is massively vulnerabile to K-Nite, red sun radiaion, and magic. Green Lantern is powerless against the color yellow. And Martian Manhunter is incredibly vulnerable to fire. So Supes would likely be beaten by Surfer, Quasar, Thor(and maybe even BRB), Green Lantern would likely lose against Surfer, Quasar, and maybe Nova(since Nova's blasts and such are yellow), and Martian Manhunter would probably lose against... well any of them since they can all create fire pretty easily. Depending on how things match up in the opening seconds, these guys could prove to be useful, but it seems unrealistic to think that they'd last for too long giving their glaring vulnerabilities and the skill/power of the opposition.

Wonder Woman and Aquaman don't have easily exploited vulnerabilities but to my knowledge niether of their Pre Crisis version were powerful enough to pose any kind of real threat to anyone on the Marvel Team except maybe Ronan.

Flash and Captain Marvel are the only ones the Avengers really have to worry about, and in the end I just don't see them being enough to fill the massive gaps in the JLA's defenses. TBH I'm not even sure Barry was pulling off IMP's back in his PC days...

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Originally posted by abhilegend

He calls himself an expert on pre-crisis heroes.

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Originally posted by abhilegend

He calls himself an expert on pre-crisis heroes.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Well I'm expert on Pre Crisis heroes but here's the way I see it Hawkman, Hawk Woman, Batman, Black Canary, and Green Arrow are pretty much incosequential at this level, they'll most likely get taken out in the opening second if only from collateral damage. Of the people that are left

Supes is massively vulnerabile to K-Nite, red sun radiaion, and magic. Green Lantern is powerless against the color yellow. And Martian Manhunter is incredibly vulnerable to fire. So Supes would likely be beaten by Surfer, Quasar, Thor(and maybe even BRB), Green Lantern would likely lose against Surfer, Quasar, and maybe Nova(since Nova's blasts and such are yellow), and Martian Manhunter would probably lose against... well any of them since they can all create fire pretty easily. Depending on how things match up in the opening seconds, these guys could prove to be useful, but it seems unrealistic to think that they'd last for too long giving their glaring vulnerabilities and the skill/power of the opposition.

Wonder Woman and Aquaman don't have easily exploited vulnerabilities but to my knowledge niether of their Pre Crisis version were powerful enough to pose any kind of real threat to anyone on the Marvel Team except maybe Ronan.

Flash and Captain Marvel are the only ones the Avengers really have to worry about, and in the end I just don't see them being enough to fill the massive gaps in the JLA's defenses. TBH I'm not even sure Barry was pulling off IMP's back in his PC days...

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Originally posted by Juntai
Kid Flash was beyond light speed pre-crisis. He was the crown prince of speed. If he was slower than Barry, it was by a hair.

Marv Wolfman depowered him in New Teen Titans, his speed was both killing him, and was going away, and he eventual went into a retirement.
I think most likely because he was a big advocate of less powerful characters.
Marv went from there of course, writing Titans which kept trading spots with Xmen as the top comic book being published at the time to writing COIE and depowering the whole universe.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't get it dude, Silver SURFER!!!! He can beat any DC character, because COSMIC AWARENESS!!!!

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Originally posted by Juntai
I'm an expert on cosmic heroes.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
I was mocking Saint Goober lol

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Well I'm expert on Pre Crisis heroes

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Originally posted by Juntai